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    I captured this image at Ft. DeSoto County Park in Pinellas County, Florida. Comments and critique welcomed and appreciated. Thank you for viewing.

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    Nice soft light on this guy, but there is something very off in the processing workflow because the bird is very crunchy. The legs show strong halos, feather detail has been erased, and the sand/ground looks like plastic. Not sure where the problem occurred, but it's certainly worth a total revisit to iron it out.

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    Hi Joe ... sadly I can only agree with Dorians observations . One of those frames of yours where the sharpening is off ... and I am really wondering why this is happening from time to time ??!! And even more I would be interested what is causing the issue ??!!
    Really hope you are seeing it yourself after the comments ... better would be to see it before posting .

    TFS Andreas

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    Dorian and Andreas, thank you for viewing and critiquing this image. After reading I went back to the image and changed the processing. Here is a repost, please let me know if this better. If so, the reason for the problems with the original is too much processing. It surprising that when working on a image trying to make it perfect one can become blind to what is good and not.
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    Oh that was quick ... you do not seem to invest a lot of time for an edit . Looks for sure better ... but which tool caused the ugly artifacts along the edges ??!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Oh that was quick ... you do not seem to invest a lot of time for an edit . Looks for sure better ... but which tool caused the ugly artifacts along the edges ??!!
    Hi Andreas, it was quick because I deleted all I did to the TIFF and then just sharpened it. Not one tool caused it but a little bit of this and a little bit of that, as I said... too much post processing trying to make what was good better, unfortunately failing.
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    As Mr Detail aka Steve K is saying keep the workflow simple .... and as I am saying ( most of the times ) stay away from 3rd party plugins . Photoshop does have it all ...

    The hummingbird does look so good ..
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    Joe initially I didn't see the problems mentioned. The repost does look better. Overall I love it nice. The second does look so much better with the color cast gone. It just pops more. TFS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    As Mr Detail aka Steve K is saying keep the workflow simple .... and as I am saying ( most of the times ) stay away from 3rd party plugins . Photoshop does have it all ...

    The hummingbird does look so good ..
    Hi Andreas, yup, Steve is right, he also has me using a high shutter speed for sharper images and let the software (Topaz Denoise AI) take care of the noise. You guys, yourself, Steve, Artie and others, who were photographing when digital began rely on Photoshop for most things. All of you know it well, at one time it was all there was. I only use Photoshop to convert the RAW to a TIFF and to clone, patch and spot remove, everything else I do in Lightroom. I know Lightroom like you know Photoshop. Much of Lightroom is Photoshop based. I'll give you one example. Sharpening in Lightroom. That tool can be configured to work as Unsharp Mask or Deconvoluted Sharpening, also a combination of the two depending where the Detail Slider is set. The Masking Slider in Lightroom sharpening controls where the sharpening will be applied. Jeff Schewe who was instrumental in the development of Lightroom wrote that the Masking Slider would take about twenty steps in Photoshop to accomplish. Anyways, we do things differently but hopefully end up at the same place. Thanks, my friend, hope your shoulder is healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin Hice View Post
    Joe initially I didn't see the problems mentioned. The repost does look better. Overall I love it nice. The second does look so much better with the color cast gone. It just pops more. TFS
    Thanks Kevin, much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Przybyla View Post
    Hi Andreas, yup, Steve is right, he also has me using a high shutter speed for sharper images and let the software (Topaz Denoise AI) take care of the noise. You guys, yourself, Steve, Artie and others, who were photographing when digital began rely on Photoshop for most things. All of you know it well, at one time it was all there was. I only use Photoshop to convert the RAW to a TIFF and to clone, patch and spot remove, everything else I do in Lightroom. I know Lightroom like you know Photoshop. Much of Lightroom is Photoshop based. I'll give you one example. Sharpening in Lightroom. That tool can be configured to work as Unsharp Mask or Deconvoluted Sharpening, also a combination of the two depending where the Detail Slider is set. The Masking Slider in Lightroom sharpening controls where the sharpening will be applied. Jeff Schewe who was instrumental in the development of Lightroom wrote that the Masking Slider would take about twenty steps in Photoshop to accomplish. Anyways, we do things differently but hopefully end up at the same place. Thanks, my friend, hope your shoulder is healing.
    Hey Joe thanks for asking my shoulder is making good progress ... very short I can go out shooting albeit maybe only from tripod .
    We all stick to different workflows ... and the output counts , not the workflow . We have to be happy with the tools we are using .... for the best possible output .
    In your case I sometimes do not understand why you are processing great results in terms of detail and sharpness , other times they are somewhat off on that front ... that leaves me puzzled at times . The reason why I come back asking .... I do not want to annoy you with my maybe " stupid " comments .

    Cheers Andreas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    In your case I sometimes do not understand why you are processing great results in terms of detail and sharpness , other times they are somewhat off on that front ... that leaves me puzzled at times . The reason why I come back asking .... I do not want to annoy you with my maybe " stupid " comments .

    Cheers Andreas
    Hey Andreas, I think the reason is 79 year old eyes, and fighting with my glasses somedays. Also about fourteen years ago I woke up with double vision and could not open my right eye, the muscles wouldn't work. I immediately saw my ophthalmologist, he sent me to a neurologist at a Florida university. I was diagnosed with Ocular Myasthenia Gravis, I have to take Prednisone every day to control that. The Prednisone has caused capillary bleeding in my right eye (Central Serous Retinopathy), so I see mostly with my left eye. There are good days and bad days. It sucks to be old but I wouldn't want to be young today. This is why this forum is wonderful, I can get a honest critique of my images and find ways to fix them.
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    Okidoki .... Joe , sounds like a serious issue !!!
    I should be less critical with your stuff after reading about your issues , sorry for being too strong with my comments !!!

    Cheers Andreas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Okidoki .... Joe , sounds like a serious issue !!!
    I should be less critical with your stuff after reading about your issues , sorry for being too strong with my comments !!!

    Cheers Andreas
    No, please do not. I want a honest opinion/critique. When Steve was here more regularly through BPN forum or emails he would point out shortcomings and how I could do better. Without that I would not be where I am today. I want to get better, never satisfied. That is how I get in troubled sometimes. Right now, you and Dorian are my best sources.
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    Oh thanks Joe ... glad that I can help you out a bit !!!

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