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Good news for Nikon shooters, the D5
Nikon announced the flagship D5 as well as the D500 crop sensor camera that is the replacement of the now obsolete D300
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2370616...-grade-d5-dslr
Something tells me a big announcement is imminent from Canon as well!
Last edited by arash_hazeghi; 01-08-2016 at 03:37 AM.
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The D500 is something Nikon shooters have been dreaming of for years and the D5 looks like a killer camera for action. Will be interesting to see what Canon comes out with I hope what ever camera they announce has improved low ISO noise just so the reviewers can have something else to complain about besides DR.
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Have pre-ordered both the D5 & D500, and will be trading in my much loved D700 & D4 to help ease some of the damage to my wallet
Canon will have a huge hurdle to get even close to producing a low noise sensor & DR that will compete with Nikon in the next few years, IMO
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we will see with an Olympic year most people expect the announcement of the 1DX replacement in February.
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Have pre-ordered both the D5 & D500, and will be trading in my much loved D700 & D4 to help ease some of the damage to my wallet
Canon will have a huge hurdle to get even close to producing a low noise sensor & DR that will compete with Nikon in the next few years, IMO
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that's not entirely true. Canon FF sensors have actually lower noise than Nikon at high ISO where it matters for wildlife shooters. What those "internet experts" complain about is low ISO DR i.e. shadow detail in ISO 100 once you lift the shadows. This doesn't apply to wildlife photographers who don't typically shoot at ISO 100 and lift there shadows severely.
The D5 can finally compete with the 4 year old 1DX, at least on paper, which has been shooting at 12fps for the last 4 years. When it comes to sports and wildlife Canon's lead is quite firm ![wink3](images/smilies/wink3.gif)
I have to say I wasn't really impressed with the D4 compared to my 1DX, the AF when attached to super telephoto lens wasn't quite as fast as the Canon and couldn't keep up, not sure it was the lenses or the body. But I hope the new AF system in D5 has addressed this issue.
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that's not true. Canon FF sensors have actually lower noise than Nikon at high ISO where it matters for wildlife shooters. What those "internet experts" complain about is low ISO DR i.e. shadow detail in ISO 100 once you lift the shadows. This doesn't apply to wildlife photographers who don't typically shoot at ISO 100 and lift there shadows severely.
The D5 can finally compete with the 4 year old 1DX, at least on paper, which has been shooting at 12fps for the last 4 years. When it comes to sports and wildlife Canon's lead is quite firm
I have to say I wasn't really impressed with the D4 compared to my 1DX, the AF when attached to super telephoto lens wasn't quite as fast as the Canon and couldn't keep up, not sure it was the lenses or the body. But I hope the new AF system in D5 has addressed this issue.
Also starting with the 6D Canon has corrected the shadow banding issue they had you can now pull shadows up to three stops with the 6D, 7DMKII, and the 5Ds series with little penalty. After ISO 800 The DR of all cameras more or less even out to around 12 stops with some slightly better and some slightly worse you cannot escape the physics of light. Once shot noise the noise inherent in light becomes greater then the electronic noise produce by the camera itself the ability to pull detail out of shadows is gone which is more or less happens around ISO 800.
One other thing there is no free lunch even with the Sony sensors if you shoot an image at ISO 100 and pull your shadows let's say 6 stops your shadows will have the same noise charectistics as if they where shot at ISO 3200 again you cannot escape the physics of light. Not a big deal if your only posting online or producing small prints but if you do want to print large you will have issues getting those shadows to look good.
Would I like Canon to produce a sensor on par with Sony when it comes to low ISO noise that would be yes it would make some of the things I do in post easier and save some time processing with some images.
Last edited by Don Lacy; 01-07-2016 at 03:51 PM.
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With th all that said would I like Canon to produce a sensor on par with Sony when it comes to low ISO noise that would be yes it would make some of the things I do in post easier and save some time processing with some images.
I agree, but only so long as I don't have to give up anything at higher ISOs. I've been using ETTR for so long that I really don't miss any DR. If I look at a shot that requires extreme DR, I shoot an HDR burst and take the small extra step in post.
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arash_hazeghi
that's not entirely true. Canon FF sensors have actually lower noise than Nikon at high ISO where it matters for wildlife shooters. What those "internet experts" complain about is low ISO DR i.e. shadow detail in ISO 100 once you lift the shadows. This doesn't apply to wildlife photographers who don't typically shoot at ISO 100 and lift there shadows severely.
The D5 can finally compete with the 4 year old 1DX, at least on paper, which has been shooting at 12fps for the last 4 years. When it comes to sports and wildlife Canon's lead is quite firm
I have to say I wasn't really impressed with the D4 compared to my 1DX, the AF when attached to super telephoto lens wasn't quite as fast as the Canon and couldn't keep up, not sure it was the lenses or the body. But I hope the new AF system in D5 has addressed this issue.
Sorry Arash,
Will have to respectively agree to disagree.![wink3](images/smilies/wink3.gif)
10,11, 12 FPS is neither here nor there, it's AF acquisition, DR and ISO performance that counts and the D4s has led the way here, IMO.
I have the new and amazing lightweight Nikkor 400 f/2.8E FL, teamed with the D4s is simply superb, so really looking forward to the new D5 on this beast.
Let's not roll out the old Nikon V Canon debate and just say one has it's advantages & disadvantages with both.
And yes have used the Canon 1DX an excellent DSLR in it's own right.
BTW, I'm not a member of any Nikon paid association and pay for everything myself.
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Hi Marc
Don't get me wrong. I didn't say Nikon was bad, it's a great body. It was just that in my hands and for the subject I specialize in, i.e hand hold birds in flight with a big lens , it wasn't quite the same as the 1DX and a big white in my opinion. That's the main reason I switched from Nikon to Canon in 2009. Back then I had a D3S and a 500 VR. To be honest I don't know that many photographers who shoot hand hold flight wih Nikon big lenses. Maybe that will change with their new lenses. It's all for the better
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Hi Marc
Don't get me wrong. I didn't say Nikon was bad, it's a great body. It was just that in my hands and for the subject I specialize in, i.e hand hold birds in flight with a big lens , it wasn't quite the same as the 1DX and a big white in my opinion. That's the main reason I switched from Nikon to Canon in 2009. Back then I had a D3S and a 500 VR. To be honest I don't know that many photographers who shoot hand hold flight wih Nikon big lenses. Maybe that will change with their new lenses. It's all for the better
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I understand Arash
I went the other way from Canon to Nikon back in 2004, I'd like you to get your hands on a D4s if you can, which has a far superior AF to the D4 and in combination with the new lighter FL primes it's a wonderful wildlife/sport shooters dream. .........if you ever make it to Switzerland you'd be welcome to try ![Big Grin3](images/smilies/biggrin3.gif)
You'd certainly enjoy the new Nikkor 500/4 and it's reduced weight and more importantly the way it balances for H/H shooting.
Regardless, competition & technology from both camps can only be a healthy thing, right.
So good things to come with the D5, D500 and the new IDX mkII soon for you, have you heard any rumours on the proposed specs?
Cheers
Marc
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I haven't heard any rumors about Canon's 1DX replacement, they usually keep things very tight until the announcement
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I'm hoping Nikon come out with a D5X :) No point in upgrading to the D5 from a D4s right now............I will wait
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I'm hoping Nikon come out with a D5X :) No point in upgrading to the D5 from a D4s right now............I will wait
Can't see it happening Neil IMO,
That "X" series high MP has now neen replaced by the D800 series, you're more likely to see it appear as a D850, possibly within a year.
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That "X" series high MP has now neen replaced by the D800 series, you're more likely to see it appear as a D850, possibly within a year.
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I'm sure your right, and if thats the case I will wait and see what the so called D850 comes out with compared to the D810 which I recently bought and find it takes amazing high resolution pictures I just prefer the feel of the pro body of the D4s in hand...........
Shooting birds (especially small birds) you really need more than 20 MP unless you are posting just on forums and FB. Since starting printing my own stuff last year I am looking for the best resolution out there.............it would be nice if Leica came out with a long telephoto for there S system
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Hi Marc
Don't get me wrong. I didn't say Nikon was bad, it's a great body. It was just that in my hands and for the subject I specialize in, i.e hand hold birds in flight with a big lens , it wasn't quite the same as the 1DX and a big white in my opinion. That's the main reason I switched from Nikon to Canon in 2009. Back then I had a D3S and a 500 VR. To be honest I don't know that many photographers who shoot hand hold flight wih Nikon big lenses. Maybe that will change with their new lenses. It's all for the better
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Arash
Ive been using my Nikon D4s and 600mm f4e lens for shooting BIF and its a fantastic combination................ I would post up some pictures but I am work right now so will need to wait Until I am back in Kl towards the end of the month
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I would love playing with the D5 but given the tank-dive the ZAR currency has taken it is out of my reach.
I will probably be able to review it for Nikon SA on a trip during the year, though.
Looks like an amazing piece of kit!!