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    Captured in the Supermarket Car Park; took me several days - they are always hiding lol

    Anyway hope you like him; I do, but I dont like the Supermarket/Town

    Processed with DPP, Nik4, PS5

    Canon 7D Manual Exposure, f5.6 ISO 400, sun from rear, HH, eV +1.66 ss 1/800

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    Good head angle and EXP but way over-sharpened with very jangly background BOKEH...
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    Hi Arthur

    hmm...only used Smart at 100, 0.5 as per my normal WF probably didnt need any. Agree BG is jangly; weird small leaved shrubs
    should stick with tropics lol

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    Had another go with image from the series I took
    this time much more gently processed (20 Detail extraction in Nik, And tone adjust to bird only)
    USM on tiff at 100, 0.2 X 2 passes. Lighten blur to BG
    I know not the same image - hope mods can allow; its the processing I am concerned about

    this time cropped vertical to reduce BG prescence
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    The BKGR is much better but the bird is overdone. Please post the full frame unprocessed original capture as 1024 wide 200kb JPEG.
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    OK Arthur; too much detail x I bet but was only 25?

    heres the file lets see how it should look

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    Richard, Thanks. Please explain what you mean by "too much detail.... only 25."
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    Just that slider at 25 for detail extraction on the bird ie the default in Nik CE4 was probably not needed or too much?
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    Thanks Richard, Just to confirm; the image in Pane 6 has had nothing done to it; it was just converted. No Detail Extractor, no nothing, correct?
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    Correct Arthur

    CR2 in DPP

    CONVERT AND SAVE AS TIFF

    RESIZED 1024 IN PS5

    SAVE FOR WEB @ 200K

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    OK. Got it now .

    #1: Why create the image with the bird in the center of the frame?
    #2: It is very rare that Detail Extractor is applied to the whole image including the BKGR.
    #3: Assuming that Detail Extractor was applied only to the bird and only at 25% that can often be way too much as it was to some degree on the image in Pane #4.

    I will work on the image when I get home. I am in the car now. Not driving, just in the car .
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    1. Didnt think fast enough to change focus point tut tut

    2. Detail extract was not applied to BG in repost which proves your point

    3. Copy that; for some reason I start to overprocess; just over enthusiastic about Nik I guess

    lets see what you can come up with; respect and thank you for your assistance; do you have a CHAUFFEUR then?(cant spell)

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    Getting the bird out of the center needs to be at the center of our being, part of the process of making images. What you said in your #2 I already said and knew. As for over-doing things, I do the same thing.... Jim who works for me is driving. See you later and YAW.
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    Sometimes simple is better. Cropped. Added canvas front and stretched. Selectively sharpened only the dark parts of the bird.
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    It has suffered a bit from the large crop....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    It has suffered a bit from the large crop....
    sure but additional food for thought and 2 smacks for a - poor composition and b - overprocessing haha

    it was a rush job governor

    thanks for input




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    Yes, learning is good. I wrote this just for you (and others here) .
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    Hi Richard.

    Thanks for posting this image. I agree with some of the comments made above and think there may be some room for improvement. Working with your original file, I've made the following changes in PS CS5: I

    positioned the bird more to the left in the frame, with a little more headroom and space to look into,
    made a modest levels adjustment to provide what I feel is a better saturation level for the bird,
    applied very modest degree of sharpening, and
    cloned out a brilliant red spot below and to the right of the bird that distracted my eye.

    The result is shown in this repost. But thanks for sharing this image.

    Norm
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    Nice work, looks good , thx Norm for having a go, appreciated
    lots of options,preferences and techniques

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