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    This is Metro one of 3 bros pride leaders of the MGM trio.
    Metro, Goldwyn & Mayer, so named for their joint leadership of the "Hollywood" pride.
    Conv to B&W in Nik Silver with a warming filter(85) in CS5 @ 25% opacity, it suited nicely I feel. (No colour cast comments please Steve K )

    C & C most welcome.

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    The conversion looks great to me. Nicely done.
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    Marc,

    This looks good to me, certainly no apparent colour cast on my cheapskate monitor in UK, but then it does not look "warm" either, although I am sure it was.

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    (No colour cast comments please Steve K)
    Why would I say there is a colour cast Marc, as you have already added colour to a B/W and therefore it is a deliberate addition? It has a warmth in it, as to whether a slight 'Sepia' look & feel is what you want I am not sure, or the rational to the conversion?

    However, initial thoughts would be to move the RH slider in Levels to compress the histogram so it meets the bar, then to add some contrast to give the image a little pop. Personally I might come in tighter all round too, certainly cropping just on the LH edge of the front leg (about 10mm in from the LH edge), and by doing so I think this then emphasises more of the nice features and detail in the face/head, as there is a lot of dead space around the head.

    Just my 2 cents Marc.

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    Appreciate the comments Stephen, Ken & Steve.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Kaluski View Post
    Why would I say there is a colour cast Marc, as you have already added colour to a B/W and therefore it is a deliberate addition? It has a warmth in it, as to whether a slight 'Sepia' look & feel is what you want I am not sure, or the rational to the conversion?
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    Just pulling your leg Steve
    My rational was simply to introduce a little colour warmth to the normal cooler B&W that I felt this warranted, seeing how this was taken in already low 30 deg's C at 6.16am. Nothing more ......nothing less


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    Marc - the conversion works well. Nice creamy bg too. I would like to see the color for comparison.

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    Very nicely detailed Marc and the textures of the lion, as well as the tones of gray/black, make a very nice contrast with that smooth BG.

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    nice details and interesting conversion, Marc, works for me though I normally prefer a "straight" B&W myself.
    love that creamy BG - might crop tighter all round if mine?
    have you tried Steve's adjustment suggestions?
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    Thanks Rachel, Steve & Morkel

    Here's Steve K's suggested tweaks, not too sure on the tighter crop for mine, but certainly has a little extra pop.


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    Marc,

    This is much too "in your face" for me, the increase in contrast makes the image look unnatural, and I always like a little space around the subject.

    I would stick with your original version, can we see it in colour?

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    Hi Marc, my thoughts were perhaps not as tight as yours, but the pop I think defines things a bit more. BTW how much Contrast did you add?

    This was my initial thought on the crop adding just a tad more compared to your RP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Kaluski View Post
    BTW how much Contrast did you add?
    Only a small amount, 15pts.

    Colour version here Ken & Rachel
    Last edited by Marc Mol; 03-23-2012 at 06:31 AM.


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    Only a small amount, 15pts.
    Ah, I applied 6, but again, all subjective. Personally I think you were right with the OP conversion compared to the colour version.
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    Marc,

    This looks so much better in colour, most particularly the BG, but you know me.

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    Marc - I think both look great and would be happy to have either. His MGM coalition must be working well. He looks very strong with very few scars.

    Thanks for posting the color,
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    Yeah, I like the color much more. The BG, its straw colored streaks compliment the lion's stringy hair. The nice strong, but not harsh, light shows better. Much more of a 3-D pop to it.
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    Marc, I like your OP best as far as treatment and crop but would perhaps increase the contrast just a tiny bit. I think the conversion introduces a different appeal to the lion, whereas the colour, although very nice, is an outcome most photographers would post (and we would all be happy to have taken). I just find your interpretation of the lion to have more interest to me personally, but it is all pretty subjective in the end.

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