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    Taken this morning in Rausu, Japan
    The pack ice is thick and still coming.

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    Mate, you nailed it right down to the points of the talons; love it!!
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    Fantastic exposure control and pose. Pity about the shooting angle - I assume it was taken from a boat.

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    Superb landing pose and outstretched talons. Love the whites and scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ofer Levy View Post
    Fantastic exposure control and pose. Pity about the shooting angle - I assume it was taken from a boat.
    We specifically went to the upper deck to capture the angle with ice as shown. I find it amusing that you think all images should be taken or presented as you envision.

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    A great image. Great Comp. Great IQ. It must be quite an experience to see these large predatory birds

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    Fantastic - IO want to go and see one!

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    I think the details in the ice adds to the image!

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    Bravo Chas, If everything in the world was the same we would not need cameras.

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    Really nice flight shot and great details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Glatzer View Post
    We specifically went to the upper deck to capture the angle with ice as shown. I find it amusing that you think all images should be taken or presented as you envision.

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    Hi Chas, I find it strange that you can not accept an honest critique. If you don't wish to get an honest critique as you think your images are all perfect - maybe you shouldn't post them in this forum? I will say it again - shooting angle is not great as you could have taken it from a lower angle and get the ice and a better view of the head and maybe even some better eye contact. IMHO this shot is a missed opportunity to get a fantastic shot of this amazing bird.

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    Maybe a little blunt but I see where Ofer is coming from. Still a great image showing environment, well exposed. If it were mine I'd be grinning but also wishing I'd had another from a lower angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ofer Levy View Post
    Hi Chas, I find it strange that you can not accept an honest critique. If you don't wish to get an honest critique as you think your images are all perfect - maybe you shouldn't post them in this forum? I will say it again - shooting angle is not great as you could have taken it from a lower angle and get the ice and a better view of the head and maybe even some better eye contact. IMHO this shot is a missed opportunity to get a fantastic shot of this amazing bird.
    Ofer, is it just possible that instead of saying "better" it just might be simply a "different" approach.

    Ofer, do you think that perhaps before critizing an internationally recognized Professional you might inquire IF the angle you were suggesting was even possible?

    Ofer, do you think it might be appropriate instead of strongly critizing, you might ask the poster why they intentionally chose the shooting angle? Chas told you he specifically chose that angle; an interesting adjunct is "why" and strongly responding as you did can only stifle discussion.

    Chas, why did you choose the higher angle on the boat? Could you have chosen the angle suggested by Ofer?
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    Let's try to keep things civilized here. A few observations, first about the photo. Excellent sharpness and exposure. Timing couldn't be better, and the ice makes a cool BG. The shooting angle takes away the eye contact that would have given the image a little something extra. Ofer brought up a legitimate point regarding the shooting angle, but his choice of words was poor ("Pity about the shooting angle"). Just because Chas chose that angle doesn't mean that there wasn't a better one.

    This is a critique forum, and Ofer's critique is one that I see applied to dozens of images every week. The shooting angle is a valid concern here. I rarely see forum participants ask why someone made a given photographic choice before commenting on a perceived issue, and I don't think Chas deserves special treatment in that regard. Just my $0.02.
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    Great exposure and intense landing the talons and the eagle's focus on landing add to the image, but I also agree with Ofer and Doug that the shooting angle is not optimal. It is still a good image and a specie we don't see often but it could be better.

    BTW, the purpose of the forum is to critique the photo as presented. Ofer's critique has always been valuable in this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Brown View Post
    Let's try to keep things civilized here. A few observations, first about the photo. Excellent sharpness and exposure. Timing couldn't be better, and the ice makes a cool BG. The shooting angle takes away the eye contact that would have given the image a little something extra. Ofer brought up a legitimate point regarding the shooting angle, but his choice of words was poor ("Pity about the shooting angle"). Just because Chas chose that angle doesn't mean that there wasn't a better one.

    This is a critique forum, and Ofer's critique is one that I see applied to dozens of images every week. The shooting angle is a valid concern here. I rarely see forum participants ask why someone made a given photographic choice before commenting on a perceived issue, and I don't think Chas deserves special treatment in that regard. Just my $0.02.
    This is not a question of special treatment; it is a question of appropriate approach.
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    I am probably not qualified to comment here, but I thought the same as Ofer when I looked at this.
    A nice photo, but most people here would be critiqued for the same reason.
    Not saying that every shot needs a low angle, but this one does to me.
    I don't mind at all if someone here tells me that my photo is bad, in fact, I like it if they do.
    I don't take it personal at all, it is a photo forum!
    If you are a professional and don't think you need critiques, you probably don't need to post photo's on an
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    It seems to me "a lower angle would improve the image" implies there is a specific style that is best. In this case a lower angle would have shown the wings differently and, since I was standing next to Chas when he took it, the background would have been cluttered with a bunch of other birds. I certainly don't mind critiques but to say it is a "pity" that there wasn't a lower angle when the intent was to shoot from above the bird doesn't seem right to me.
    These are very impressive birds and to show them from a different perspective adds to display this, in my opinion.
    My $.02.
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    Thanks Mike, there is nothing wrong with questioning everyones' images - even mine~

    BPN is about gentle critiques of EVERYTHING and EVRYONE "gently".

    Your explanation of why the chosen angle certainly explains it's particular need in this case.
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    Hey guys,

    I am open to having my images critiqued and learning what others think may be of benefit. Photography is often the Art of Compromise, I make decisions based on how I feel I can best achieve my goal given the circumstances in hand, not on what they could be if things were different. If the circumstances were different so to would be the image. This may require a higher/lower vantage point, less DOF, faster shutter speed, etc, etc... this can be less than optimal from one perspective to better another. In the end to thine own self be true.

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    Hi a super image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Glatzer View Post
    In the end to thine own self be true.
    words of wisdom.

    Thanks Chas.

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