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    Default Happy Holidays & CS5 and MAC Lion conflicts

    I am still on the fence jumping from PC to MAC. I am running out of time as the warranties on our two laptops expire shortly.

    I have been reading about conflicts between CS5 and Lion:

    http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/905/cpsid_9...main_Photoshop

    This is a 5 November 2011 update!
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    Those using CS5 and their MAC - what if any problems are you accepting for the price of using a MAC?

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    And, Happy Holidays!!
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    Jay, I've been using Lion and CS5 for 2 months now and have no issues at all. Can't comment on CS4 with Lion as I don't have CS4.

    But as I have never used anything other than a Mac I can't comment on the change over and how hard it might be. I do know that I hated Lion to begin with as so many of my old programmes didn't work, but now that I'm settled and have upgraded all that needed to be upgraded, I have no regrets.

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    I know this might ruffle some feathers but now that MS WIN 7 is on new PCs, and yes I do use my wife's MAC (only Snow Leopard since the processor is not up to Apple's specs for Lion upgrade), I really don't see a driving need to move to a MAC IMPO

    Win7 runs circles around Vista - which was a pain to use and not user friendly. That's my two cents.

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    Thanks Robert: With W8 expected out end of next year It was either MAC or hold out for W8. My warranties are up in May.

    Hillary, the programs that didn't work, we're they more that your image editing programs? If you have a moment what programs were the problem children? Thanks,
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    Jay, my problems were a little more complex. I needed to upgrade my main computer so I went from a dual processor G5 to an iMac. So I had the problem of software designed in the power processor days which may have worked on intel, except that in Apple's wisdom they had discontinued Rosetta which meant no support for the old software.

    I couldn't load CS3 to the new iMac but I seem to recall that it was because I had exhausted my license and needed to keep it authorized on the G5 as a work back up but it may not have worked with intel anyway. You wouldn't have this issue. I don't use droplets so can't comment. I don't have problems with the deselect mode.

    So to cut to the chase, the big issues were with non imaging software such as FileMaker Pro and some other work related software.

    CS5 worked fine, Lightroom 3 was fine, LR2 had problems I seem to remember but not what they were. Maybe I'm used to it all now.

    Nik filters were a problem as some of the older versions wouldn't work. I've upgraded them and all is fine. Some of my other plug in filters didn't work such as imagenomic, noise ninja and a couple others so I just have stopped using them. Now I have made my own actions and work arounds which are working quite well.

    Not sure whether that helps, I may have forgotten other problems as it was a bit of a nightmare time juggling so many new things.

    I wouldn't hesitate to upgrade to a Mac and CS5 but I hated Lion to begin with (just to be clear!) but it is all working fine now. Of course, I've always bee a Mac user so don't know the PC world at all.

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    Hi Jay
    I have just switched from a Windows 7 laptop to a Macbook Pro a couple weeks ago. I have a problem with the Adobe Photo Downloader which is part of Bridge (which was my preferred method of downloading from memory card via a card reader) on the Mac which won't allow me to select which folder to download the images into (it just freezes up the page when I choose a folder). Also Bridge no longer adds a continuous count sequence number to my images as I download them as it used to do on the Windows PC, which was a big help in avoiding duplicate file names. On the Mac, each time I download, the count starts from afresh. I now have to make sure that I include my camera-given image numbers in each filename to avoid duplication. Perhaps these are my own user-error generated issues but I have not been able to find any way to correct them. Also I have noted that when using the Content Aware Healing Brush, the area I have selected goes black and stays black until after I click something to start a new process, only then does it fill in with the new pixels. That is it so far. Lightroom 3 seems to be working very well and I am using it more than Bridge since switching to the Mac. My Macbook is a big ram upgrade from my older Windows laptop so it isn't fair of me to compare them in that regard. I don't have any big issues with either system and I think both work pretty well. If anybody has answers to the little nits I have detailed above I would appreciate hearing from them..
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    Grant, thanks very much for jumping into this thread!

    Why did you make the switch?

    What plug-ins are you using with CS5, e.g., Nik, Topaz, etc?

    In addition to CS5 and LR3, what major programs in the MAC version are you running, e.g, programs like Office?

    Are you running PC programs in a virtual mode?

    Please keep adding to this thread as I am most interested in your experience. I will be in the USA Feb-May; when I return to Australia our laptops will be out of warranty and I then have to decide whether to get another Dell - I do love the Dell and especially the international warranty - or make the jump to a 15" MBP for me and a MAC Air for Jackie.

    Happy Holidays,
    Cheers, Jay

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    Jay, just remembered that I had a lot of trouble with Office. Kept closing down with error messages. Appears to work now but I haven't changed anything so may be due to an software update.

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    Not mentioned is huge is a problem with Lion and the Intel graphics in the MB Air and brushes of all sorts in CS5. Apparently the next update of Lion should solve the issue. I have been suffering with this for several months but it will take a lot more than this for me stop using Apple. As to switching, I used to be keen to encourage Windows users to switch but these days, to be honest it really doesn't matter. If you are keen to have to run virus software, love the OS asking you all the time if you are sure you want to do such and such, and just can't get enough of that delightful look of Windows 7 then stay with it.

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    Hi Jay,

    You said: "I return to Australia our laptops will be out of warranty and I then have to decide whether to get another Dell - I do love the Dell and especially the international warranty - or make the jump to a 15" MBP..."

    Why do you need to get another computer when your present one goes out of warranty? If a machine is working well, why replace it? If electronics survive through the warranty plus a couple of month period, they are likely to last much longer.

    Regarding issues, it seems like all systems have issues, just different ones.

    For me, XP was OK, though not very stable. Windows degrades with time as the registry becomes bloated with changes (assuming one adds and changes software). Antivirus takes up more and more resources as more and more viruses/trojans/etc come out, taking up more and more resources. Unix is much more stable (macs and linux). My wife has a mac. I personally do not like the mac interface, even though I like the unix under the hood, I hate the windows 7 interface that wanted to do things for me--trouble is I didn't want to do those things. So I switched most operations to linux. I'm typing this message on a linux machine. I run photoshop in a virtual machine (virtualbox running windows 7 where I run photoshop and a couple of other windows programs) . I do most of my word processing, spreadsheets and presentations with libreoffice and/or openoffice. I do have ms office but use it only when I need a feature not in libre/open office. I've completed several manuscripts for publication using libreoffice. The linux gnome interface is a little closer to windows than mac, but in my opinion, has the best of both mac and windows. The new Ubuntu Linux Unity interface seems to take the worst of each (windows and mac) coming up with a new horrible interface that requires 3 or more mouse clicks to do what used to take one. It is horrible on large monitors, as well as small screen laptops. For example, the mac interface and linux unity interface use the global toolbar, so regardless of which window one is working in one has to move to the upper left corner for window controls. I run a dual 30-inch monitor desktop. If I am working in the lower right corner, I don't want to move the mouse a meter and a half to the upper left to get window controls. I could go on...... and on ....

    I'll close with the frustration of upgrades: the code writers seem to want to prove they changed something, so they feel they must change the user interface. Thus they often make what was formerly a great interface worse, or at best just change things that take too much time in a busy world for users to learn. If car manufacturers changed user interfaces like this, we would have cars with the steering wheel in the back seat and the break and gas pedals switched. And if one is another programmer, the system programmers make stupid changes to where things are which continuously breaks existing code, which then causes the side effects we users have trouble with. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!

    So in the end, regardless of system, someone will muck something up so when you get an upgrade, something will no longer work, and it will be at a time when you have a deadline to meet. And this is regardless of operating system. ... and I'm and optimist!

    Happy New Year
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    John, why if you know, are the graphics different between the MBA and MBP?

    The MBA is a toy for Jackie to do simple image processing, docs, email, watch a movie, and Skype.

    A 15" MBP would be my only computer for everything.

    At the end of the day I am interested in switching if the switching problems are minimal because it would be interesting to do something different, and not because I dislike a windows platform.

    If I disliked windows etc, I would have switched years ago.

    At the end of the day virus software running in the background is just another program.

    And, to go MAC is literally thousands of dollars more than simply buy two of the latest and greatest PCs next year.
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    Hello Roger - Happy Holidays!!

    Mate, if I had your technical skills I wouldn't even have started this thread.

    Given my lifestyle traveling full-time and living in either my box on wheels or a hotel room or friend's/rele's bedroomI simply chase a box that is mainstream, can be serviced anywhere in the world, isnot too difficult to figure out where to put in the key to start the engine, and is relatively up to date as I do like new toys.

    My current Dell has problems that I can continue to live with for awhile; there is little doubt that a new machine will have/develop it's own set of issues as it ages due to installing and uninstalling lots of programs to give them a go.

    In fact, it is time to do my annual reformat to clean the registry and start fresh for the coming year with only my current programs.

    So many seem to enjoy their MACs whereas PC users cannot be said to enjoy using their PC. PC users "use"; we do not IMHO rise to the level of enjoy!

    So, I have beem asking these types of questions for a couple of years and shortly I will decide whether to jump. Might wait until I see the new W8 interface as the beta is getting good reviews.

    Cheers, Jay
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    Hey Jay, Go to a mac store or contact them online and see if you can get a new machine with Snow Leopard install instead of Lion not sure if they would do that but I do know when I had my hard drive replaced last month they gave me the option of staying with Snow Leopard which I did. Most of the issues with Lion are minor but I knew my calibration software (Xrite) had major issues with Lion which is Xrites problem since they decided not to upgrade their software before the release of Lion. You will probably run into the same type of issues with win8 as developers are slow to rewrite their software for new operating systems
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    Hi Jay
    I switched mainly because I have run into virus trouble on 3 occasions in the last two years on my Windows laptop and as I am currently based out of northern Botswana, there is not always support at hand. I was very lucky not to lose work, and the delays I ran into trying to sort out the computer cost me lots of time. I also work most of the time on a satellite connection for internet, owned by the company I work for, and the Macs dont seem to run into server firewall issues like the Windows computers do. Right now Windows users where I am are unable to update antivirus programs or even download program updates but the Mac updates its programs as normal. I don't know what the reasons are for this but I just thought I would share it anyway, though it probably has little relevance to your situation. I am using Microsoft Office and so far no problems at all with either Outlook or Word. The Macbook I am using for travel and home is a brand new 13 inch Macbook Pro, with 8Gb of ram, and a SSD drive which is super fast. It also seems to me that the Macbooks last a little longer and have a more rugged build but perhaps it is possible to get Windows machines that are similarly built. Several of my colleagues have Macbooks that are over 4 or 5 years old, used in the field, and are still running.
    The only hassles I have had are those detailed in my OP, with downloading in Bridge, and the minor glitch when using the Content Aware Brush. They might in fact be my own user errors. Apart from that it is just a matter of getting used to the new machine. I would have been happy with a newer, faster Windows laptop too, although the antivirus thing is a big relief to be able to leave behind.
    cheers
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    Jay I have been using lion and cs5 since the day lion came out and i havent had a single problem with it, some other lion issues but those were more with other companies than apple and they have since released updates to fix it.

    I used to hate apple products and have been a windowz fanboy forever but after trying a mac i quickly fell in love with it and ditched all my windows machines 4 of them. In the end clearly either will work but MAC is more stable and far less prone to slowness problems like PC, windowz biggest issue imo is the registry and I had to reload the pc every year to get speed back.

    One simple thing that mac has that pc will likely never have is time machine which makes backups / restores / changing to a new machine a breeze! So simple its really dumb that MS hasn,t made something like that.

    Why are you so concerned about the warrany?. The warranty / support from apple is better than any pc company imo, you pay for it though but you do with dell also and its really only hardware and with apple you can also get software. The beauty of mac is that if you have a problem you just click a button and restore from time machine and your back to work, even if someone stole your whole machine and you get a new one it brings you back to 100% where you were without changing a setting.

    Win 7 was a huge improvement for sure but when windows 8 comes out there will be problems with it like every other release so even if you pick it there will be problems like there was with lion, w7, xp etc...

    Btw if you buy a mac you can return it within 14 days no questions asked and get your money back :) thats the best way to try it out imo because then you can clearly see what it doesyourself :)

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    Hi Jay, I use Windows computers (Vista) in my work environment and a 13 inch Mac Book pro, 8 gig ram, ssd h/d for my Photo work. (CS5, LR 3.6, Lion). I used to use Windows for my photo editing. I switched for one simple reason. My husband, Ted, is part of the Apple Distinguished Educator Program, is certified to teach alot of their software, and I was tired of him saying to me every time I asked a computer question "If you used a Mac you wouldn't be having this problem". And we plan to retire one of these days and it is our goal to both be one the same platform at that point.

    Both are kind of similar and kind of different and my words to you are that if you do not have good support (meaning someone that you can ask alot of questions on a regular basis), stick to what you know.

    You got alot of good technical advice above, this is my practical answer to your question and I hope it gives another perspective.

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