This is one of the images that fascinates me...without knowing exactly why . Shot with the 24-105@80mm, f/16@1/100; RAW image processed in LR and just a touch of NIK's Tonal Contrast and Detail Extractor applied. More OOTB in concept rather than processing...interested in hearing your thoughts.
Hey John, Well seen. I agree on the crop from the bottom a bit. You might try a vignette on the image just for mood, that's an option...........looks fine as is. Good stuff!
Thank you for the comments and suggestions...couldn't bring myself to crop from the bottom (I liked some of the textures on the pumpkin there......who thought you'd get attached to a pumpkin?)...but I saw how moving the "navel" closer to the ROT spot would help...so I added canvas to the top to see it that would help. Also added a vignette to the corners...interested in hearing what you think!
Last edited by John Storjohann; 11-23-2011 at 01:00 PM.
I like this, too, John. It has great texture and rich color. And I think I might know why it fascinates you. Probably on a subconscious level. There's a lot about this image that fits with the divine proportion / golden ratio concept. (Fabs Forns posted some links to it in the Tutorials and Educational Resources forum in June of last year.) It's something I consider when cropping. In fact -- to allow myself more latitude -- I try to remember not to crop to final dimensions in the viewfinder when taking photos.
I've added a grid to your image from the golden ratio program I use. The golden ratio has to do with the relation between dimensions. It can be applied to the sides of a rectangle. (None of these has its length and width in the golden ratio because I forced the grid to fit your image.) It also can be applied to the non-shared sides of adjacent rectangles, and that's where I think it reveals what you -- and I -- subconsciously like about this image.
Start at the lower left corner and move to the second vertical line, the one to the right of center. The golden ratio includes that distance and the two distances defined by the first and second lines. It works for any two adjacent rectangles in the whole image. Look at how the middle rectangle in the bottom row relates to the adjacent rectangles on its sides and top. That block of texture matches the rectangle almost perfectly. That's probably the most obvious example, but I can see it in other pairs of rectangles, as well. That stem is almost perfectly centered with respect to the right two rectangles in the top row.
Here's where subjectivity and compromise come into play. If you crop from the bottom to lower the stem, you can put it right on the intersection of four rectangles, and that's good thing. If you lower it by the rule of thirds, which is really a modern concession to a standard image size, you'll crop off a different amount. In either case, you're going to affect how the rectangles fall on the image. It's all part of the artistic choices we make when producing an image.
Last edited by Dennis Bishop; 11-23-2011 at 01:15 PM.
Fascinating stuff...thank you for sharing!...would you mind if I ask what program you use...and...how does the repost fall on the grid? I added to the top instead of cropping from the bottom...I'd be interested in seeing how the rectangles fall on the composition. I did do a third crop/comp...using your grid as a visual...we'll see what folks say. And here I thought I just like the colors and textures !
Last edited by John Storjohann; 11-23-2011 at 01:32 PM.
Oops. You and I were working in parallel, and you posted before I did. Because of that, the "I like it, too ..." in my previous post refers to your original comments at the start of this thread.
Your second post ... I like it, too. In fact, I like it even better. The vignettes in the corners give a greater feeling of depth. And, by adding canvas to the top to lower the stem, you didn't change the rectangles all that much.
Fascinating stuff...thank you for sharing!...would you mind if I ask what program you use...and...how does the repost fall on the grid? I added to the top instead of cropping from the bottom...I'd be interested in seeing how the rectangles fall on the composition. And here I thought I just like the colors and textures !
Well, here I am one step behind, again. Here's the link to the website of the program developer. http://www.atrise.com/golden-section/ It's not a plug-in, so you can apply it over any image. I wish that it showed triangular relationships in a clearer way, but -- except for that -- I'm very happy with it.
Because your added canvas was reasonably short in relation to the height of the image, the top of each rectangle is raised only a small amount. There are two light spots just to the lower left of the stem -- about 7 and 8 o'clock. The higher horizontal grid line is now tangent to the top of the lower of those, and it nearly touches the lighter part of the actual stem. It worked out well in that respect.
The original post was a little too high for the entire image to match a golden rectangle. Adding more canvas to the top made it even less like one. It's one of those subjective compromises, but I think it was a good one.
Pumpkin Abstract
. Shot with the 24-105@80mm, f/16@1/100; RAW image processed in LR and just a touch of NIK's Tonal Contrast and Detail Extractor applied. More OOTB in concept rather than processing...interested in hearing your thoughts.
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...who thought you'd get attached to a pumpkin?)...but I saw how moving the "navel" closer to the ROT spot would help...so I added canvas to the top to see it that would help. Also added a vignette to the corners...interested in hearing what you think!
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