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    I meant to submit an image earlier but work and other things interfering with fun prevented me from doing so. This was created last January at Barnegat Light SP, NJ, just before I slipped on the rocks and busted my lens and body. Luckily damage was not that bad and I was OK.

    Even after a year, I am not sure about this image and feedback would be appreciated.

    Details: Camera Model: Canon EOS 20D, Shutter speed: 1/80 sec, Aperture: 11, Exposure mode: Av, Flash: External E-TTL + Red eye reduction, Flash exposure compensation: -3, Metering mode: Evaluative, Drive mode: Continuous, ISO: 400
    Lens: 500mm, Focal length: 700mm.

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    Hi Christoph, welcome.

    I like the light and amount of rock that you have used in the composition. I feel that you could crop the top and make more of a pano image. I like the one with the eye open and you have him placed well in the image. To the right in the image you have two birds that mimic the two on the left. Looking for patterns in a group and capitalizing on that is what you want to do. I would have preferred to have the two on the right separated. The four birds in the back are a problem as it creates distractions with the FG birds.

    I don't know if moving around would have help but should be explored. You were certainly at the right height; creating the image from their perspective. PS processing looks good, image is nice and sharp.

    I am looking forward to seeing more of your work.

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    Hey Christoph, Great to see you here. Sharp, with a good subject, and as RAM stated, perfect perspective and composition. For my taste, just too many merges to be effective...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Amoruso View Post
    I don't know if moving around would have help but should be explored. You were certainly at the right height; creating the image from their perspective. PS processing looks good, image is nice and sharp.
    Thanks for the comments, they are very helpful and pointed out things i hadn't seen before. Unfortunately, however, moving around is not much of a possibility at Barnegat since you are working on a Jetty and falling into a crevace is a real and everpresent danger... So I work with the constraints presented. Thanks again and I look forward to posting more images.
    Last edited by Christoph Belanger; 01-04-2008 at 07:56 PM.

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    Hello Christopher,

    You did well with the exposure. I find the image some what busy and I can't really focus in one subject.

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    There is something about the rocks, the stillness of the birds and the light that creates a mood for me. I really like it.

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    Hi Christopher and red carpet welcome to BPN!!!

    I am glad you found the critique helpful.

    Even if you don't agree with what we say, we aim to make you think and consider another point of view. That tends to open up our minds.

    As for me, I love the mood created here and the fact that there's only one eye open :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabs Forns View Post
    Even if you don't agree with what we say, we aim to make you think and consider another point of view. That tends to open up our minds.
    O boy... I think I am being misunderstood and don't want to come accross as defensive... I don't disagree with this point, to the contrary, slightly moving can greatly improve an image, but i simply tried to point out that changing my position would have resulted in me loosing my gear (if I had moved left or right) or falling into the Atlantic (if I had moved back). If i had changed my hight I would have lost the perspective...

    Perhaps the correct answer is to not create the image? I view these as questions to explore... An open discussion on constraints creates idea generation which will help me create better images next time.
    Last edited by Arthur Morris; 01-05-2008 at 05:56 AM.

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    Hi Guys and Gals, Whenever an image is critiqued, the person doing the critique assumes what I refer to as "all things being equal." That is, the the photographer is free to move up or down, or left or right, and that there are no beer cans or discarded white cups just out of the frame. I always make my suggestions based on these assumptions realizing that in many instances they may not be valid assumptions.

    I do not think that Fabs was at all in attack mode; I think that she was trying to say is that even if some suggestion might be impracticable in a given set of circumstances, they might help you see things a bit differently in other situations. (I think, in fact, that you guys were actually agreeing with each other.)

    Should you have created the image in the first place. Of course, it's digital and it's free. And, if twenty supposedly expert folks do not like an image and you like it, then it does not change the fact that you like it. (Been there, done that...) All critiques are subjective and it is not at all uncommon for folks to disagree on various points in an image, or even on the image itself. Even among experienced photographers, one may love a given image while another may not like it at all.

    Later and love, artie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Hi Guys and Gals, Whenever an image is critiqued, the person doing the critique assumes what I refer to as "all things being equal." That is, the the photographer is free to move up or down, or left or right, and that there are no beer cans or discarded white cups just out of the frame. I always make my suggestions based on these assumptions realizing that in many instances they may not be valid assumptions.
    So, then when posting an an image one should also include limitations that were encountered in the image creation process...

    Artie, Fabs & Robert thanks for the comments and congrats on the new site!

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