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    Saw this one playing in the still water on the beach and assumed it was a piping plover?
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    I feel like the plover is tilting forward but the line at the bottom is straight so???




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    Nice worm! Yes to PIPL but not sure of ageing it. What month? I like the image:sharp, a nice pose, still blue water, and a good exposure. It is level. I like the image design but a bit off the top would not hurt.
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    The angle looks fine to me, the bird is tilting, the photo is not.
    I would probably crop just a bit all around.
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    HI Cheryl, Love the pose with the dirty beak and the little invertebrate hanging from it. As posted the whites are a tad hot while I know they are not blown at 244 the sweet spot for whites to look their best is around the 234 range. Also the image is a little washed out and could use a small black point adjustment you will really notice an improvement in the water by making the adjustment. I am kind of nit picking here for 90% of the people the image would be just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Nice worm! Yes to PIPL but not sure of ageing it. What month? I like the image:sharp, a nice pose, still blue water, and a good exposure. It is level. I like the image design but a bit off the top would not hurt.
    Thanks Art. This was shot two days ago at Ft Desoto Gulf pier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Lacy View Post
    HI Cheryl, Love the pose with the dirty beak and the little invertebrate hanging from it. As posted the whites are a tad hot while I know they are not blown at 244 the sweet spot for whites to look their best is around the 234 range. Also the image is a little washed out and could use a small black point adjustment you will really notice an improvement in the water by making the adjustment. I am kind of nit picking here for 90% of the people the image would be just fine.
    Thanks Don. Is there a way to set camera raw to where it shows blown whites at that range?
    Last edited by Cheryl Arena Molennor; 09-22-2011 at 07:20 PM. Reason: My typing is sooo bad

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    YAW. My best guess would be a very worn juvenile (hatched this season). Is New Port Richey east coast or west?
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    [QUOTE=Cheryl Molennor;721968]Thanks Don. Is there a way to set camera raw to where it shows blown whites at that range?[/QUOTE
    No the best way to get there is to make sure there not blown in the raw then pull them down in the RAW converter that would be with the recovery slider in ACR if your not using ACR then you can do it with curves in PS using a layer mask to only effect the whites.
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    We are west coast out here. Where is Indian Lake Estates? Also You write this alot what the heck is YAW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheryl Molennor View Post
    We are west coast out here. Where is Indian Lake Estates? Also You write this alot what the heck is YAW?
    For some reason I thought that NPR was east coast.... Indian Lake Estates in on SR 60 70 miles from the ocean at Vero Beach and two hours from Fort DeSoto leaving at 3:30am or earlier.... You say thank you I say YAW (you are welcome). My knew one is AIA (all in all). I have been using it a lot and not one person has asked me what it means.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheryl Molennor View Post
    We are west coast out here. Where is Indian Lake Estates? Also You write this alot what the heck is YAW?
    PIPL, ornith codes! YAW, Artie code!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    For some reason I thought that NPR was east coast.... Indian Lake Estates in on SR 60 70 miles from the ocean at Vero Beach and two hours from Fort DeSoto leaving at 3:30am or earlier.... You say thank you I say YAW (you are welcome). My knew one is AIA (all in all). I have been using it a lot and not one person has asked me what it means.....

    I am starting to get the BPN lingo. Took me a while to figure out IQ and HA. I'm thinkin smart image? what? and Ha like funny what??? Ige the head angle and image quality now. See I do catch on fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheryl Molennor View Post
    I am starting to get the BPN lingo. Took me a while to figure out IQ and HA. I'm thinkin smart image? what? and Ha like funny what??? Ige the head angle and image quality now. See I do catch on fast.
    Cheryl, check out this thread, full of acronyms - http://www.birdphotographers.net/for...t=acronym+list

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Brown View Post
    PIPL, ornith codes! YAW, Artie code!
    I have been using YAW for ever.
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    [QUOTE=Don Lacy;721976]
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheryl Molennor View Post
    Thanks Don. Is there a way to set camera raw to where it shows blown whites at that range?[/QUOTE
    No the best way to get there is to make sure there not blown in the raw then pull them down in the RAW converter that would be with the recovery slider in ACR if your not using ACR then you can do it with curves in PS using a layer mask to only effect the whites.
    That's what I do usually in Camera Raw but you still slide even if they aren't blown? Also They change after final adjustments in regular PS and I don't know how to check again w/o re-opening the tiff in ACR. I just figured how to see clipping using curves so that's what I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    I have been using YAW for ever.
    I remember the first time I saw that! I thought you were yawning

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Brown View Post
    Cheryl, check out this thread, full of acronyms - http://www.birdphotographers.net/for...t=acronym+list
    That's hilarious. Who'da thought. Thanks so much for sharing that so now I can keep up and know what the heck you all are saying around here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Brown View Post
    I remember the first time I saw that! I thought you were yawning
    I thought he was literally saying Yaw!! Like some weird southern thing LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheryl Molennor View Post
    That's hilarious. Who'da thought. Thanks so much for sharing that so now I can keep up and know what the heck you all are saying around here!
    YAW! BTW, nice PIPL! You captured that image on the East coast Not the west, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Brown View Post
    YAW! BTW, nice PIPL! You captured that image on the East coast Not the west, right?
    No, here on the west coast at FtDesoto. The west coast of FL that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheryl Molennor View Post
    No, here on the west coast at FtDesoto. The west coast of FL that is.
    I guess that I missed that in the flurry of acronyms. PIPL out here on the real west coast would be a super rarity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Brown View Post
    I guess that I missed that in the flurry of acronyms. PIPL out here on the real west coast would be a super rarity!
    Yeah for a minute there I was like HMMMM?

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    [QUOTE=Cheryl Molennor;721989]
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    That's what I do usually in Camera Raw but you still slide even if they aren't blown? Also They change after final adjustments in regular PS and I don't know how to check again w/o re-opening the tiff in ACR. I just figured how to see clipping using curves so that's what I do.
    In ACR on the top tool pallet there is an eye dropper with a bulls eye click on it then click on the brightest area of white under the tool pallet you will see a set of RGB values as you move the recovery slider and or exposure slider they will change values play with the sliders until you get the values you want around 233-236. also when you change from Adobe RGB to sRGB the numbers will usually rise do not worry about that as long as they are good in the Adobe RGB color space.
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    [QUOTE=Don Lacy;722002]
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheryl Molennor View Post
    In ACR on the top tool pallet there is an eye dropper with a bulls eye click on it then click on the brightest area of white under the tool pallet you will see a set of RGB values as you move the recovery slider and or exposure slider they will change values play with the sliders until you get the values you want around 233-236. also when you change from Adobe RGB to sRGB the numbers will usually rise do not worry about that as long as they are good in the Adobe RGB color space.
    That's great info Don. I will most definately check it out. Again thanks so much for your help and also for the compliment you made earlier. I appreciated it.

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    Absolutely lovely. The little worm is frosting on the cake. Good low angle and comp,
    Gail
    And I finally know what USM means. I thought it meant universal sharpening method!!!No wonder I couldn't find any reference to it in all the tutorials I watched!!
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    I now recommend using the Recovery Slider during conversion so that there are no RGB values above 236. This goes against the standard advise but works really well and greatly reduces the number of Linear Burns that I need to do. Also, adding BLACK to the WHITEs in Selective Color is another great trick... Both as described in Digital Basics along with my complete digital workflow and dozens of great Photoshop tips .
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    One more thing do not clip the whites in the field I know you can recover them later in ACR but trust me when I tell you you will always have a better end file if you start out with a properly exposed RAW file when it comes to controlling whites.
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    Thanks both of you. A big help,
    Thanks Gail.

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