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    I love the look on the cub's face, but wonder if it's too noisy.
    Thought it would help to give those with a much more critical eye's opinion.
    Thanks as always for comments, my images keep improving.
    Canon 7d ISO 640 (not the best for a 7D on a cloudy day)
    F 7.1 1/800 sec 70 - 200 2.8 at 155
    processing included about a 1/3 crop, some sharpening, a noise reduction run, and some brightening of the eye.

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    Hi Stan,
    This is great! I love the cub's expression and the hind paw sticking out. I would do another NR run on the grasses in the BG only and then you are "good to go"!I like the grasses in the FG but would clone out the thick diagonal blade on the lower left,
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    I also like this image and think it deserves the effort of removing the noise. Would also consider cropping a bit off the top.

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    I agree. Great image and worth the effort of some additional NR. If you're still not satisfied then you could crop to a pano eliminating most of the bg grass. Btw the pose with the raised rear paw (s/he is going to be big) and the eye make this image.

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    A very cute and happy bear here Stan.

    Based at this size Stan 'noise' isn't an issue, however at a larger size can't really say and at ISO 640 with the 7D it should not be an issue. The cloudy day has helped and has provided a good image with nice depth of colour and detail. Not sure where you were shooting from, but a lower POV would I think given a better option, especially if you had the grass OOF in the FG/BKG and may also have eliminated some of the river in the BKG. Personally I would go for a much tighter crop, reducing some of the clutter in the BKG and giving more emphasis to the subject as it appears you have the IQ.

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    Stan,

    Would try some extra NR and use a mask to only apply it were it is most needed. I would also crop from the right just between your first and last name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Kaluski View Post
    A very cute and happy bear here Stan.

    Based at this size Stan 'noise' isn't an issue, however at a larger size can't really say and at ISO 640 with the 7D it should not be an issue. The cloudy day has helped and has provided a good image with nice depth of colour and detail. Not sure where you were shooting from, but a lower POV would I think given a better option, especially if you had the grass OOF in the FG/BKG and may also have eliminated some of the river in the BKG. Personally I would go for a much tighter crop, reducing some of the clutter in the BKG and giving more emphasis to the subject as it appears you have the IQ.

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    Steve, your crop is a little too tight for me. Since the cup is looking towards the left, he needs space there!

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    Stan,

    Great position and expression on the bear. Note that noise is most evident in the OOF BG grass. Besides, the composition will be stronger w/o all the BG so crop from top to just above the brown grass on right edge. Left and right crop are AOK in my estimation - the flow of the grass in the FG mimics the body lies, especially near the head. Cropping either left of right ruins that flow.

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    This is really nice Stan, and that eye contact really makes the image special. I agree with some cropping - top and also slightly on the right in my opinion.

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    Noise does not bother me. But then again I'm not that fussy about it. Guess still remember film times
    I like all of the crops.
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    Here is a slightly tighter crop. I have also converted to sRGB for web presentation - nothing else.

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    Stan you must ensure when converting for web you convert your images to sRGB (FILE > Convert to Profile) as per Ofers & mine. You will see the obvious colour shift in the reposts above, but this should not happen when you convert from your original file. sRGB gives better rendition for web & projected images.
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    I like Ofer's crop though I am still OK with the OP's crop left and right.

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    Like the recropped version. Love the grass in the foreground. Great eye contact as well.

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    Great look from the bear, I also like the FG grasses and diagonal of the BG stream. All three posts work for me but I prefer the OP, just needs a little NR on the BG.

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    Not sure what is going on as it sounds like something that happened before. I use save for web in PS as outlined in the guidelines, and and the box save as output for srgb is checked, you sure the problem is not on your end Offer as this is the same as the bear in the grass photo. He said his was srgb too. If it's not and that doesn't work, can some one tell me what else I need to do? I'm not trying to be defensive but on my monitor I see no difference between Offer's post and mine in color, just the crop.

    As always thanks for the feedback and I ended up cropping, but not as much as Offer's and reducing the noise on the grass behind it.

    Steve, I agree with a lower POV but was already on a knee and from this distance (155mm) it's not always healthy to lie down next to a sow and 2 cubs.
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    Stan - when I pull your OP into Bridge it shows that the color profile is "untagged" and then when I go to open it in CS5 it says there is no embedded color profile. I think this happens if you just go to "save for web" without doing the interim step of "Convert to Profile" under the "edit" tab.

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    Hi Stan, if you read Artie's thread you'll see he admits I was right all along and the problem was not on my end as is in your case...

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    OK guys thanks. I'll add that step to the action but some one who knows more than I should address that in the "how to save for posting" thread. I still may screw it up so I don't want to lead others astray.

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