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    Taken today at my local patch in the UK, Martin Mere.
    Was the only one around and left after 5 mins. Quite rare here.

    Ive gone for a very different composition here, taking in the rings and breaking with convention; also pano. Hope you like it; maybe its too different but I like it for the lovely rings and reflection, and that its very different.

    NR to BG , USM on JPEG

    1/500, iso 400 F 8 eV 0

    40D 100-400 IS USM + 1.4 TC11

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    Breaking the "rules" can sometimes work , as it does here. Without the ripples it would be a very different image. The ripples allow for the hight shooting angle to work. Water is beautiful and the details are very fine as well.

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    I like the image design and the concentric rings. It looks very much as if it needs some serious CCW rotation. The EXP is good but the image quality is poor--the bird does not look sharp and there is no detail at all. Is this a huge crop?
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    Hi
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    Artie

    HAving looked back at this I agree on IQ, These birds have very "blended " plumage if you know what I mean. cropped away top and bottom of image only, I am concluding that the image was slightly off sharp which is a shame. I am using the 1.4 TC with the 100-400 with pins taped to activate AF with TR FP. In hindsight, manual focus would have worked .This combination of lens and TC is not ideal, and I am sure that when TRFP is saying "focussed" its probably out- maybe u have some more advice for me with regard to that. I keep telling my wife I need a 500 prime and a 1 MKIV but funds remain "unavailable "
    Still at least the composition taught me something else, so all was not lost. Should have raised the ISO to 640/800 to get more SS.I will go back out tomorrow and shoot without the converter, then witht it and compare the results.
    Appreciate your input
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    Richard, Thanks for having an open mind. It is the key to growth and improvement. Good luck on the funding issues :).

    Were you hand holding or on a tripod?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Richard, Thanks for having an open mind. It is the key to growth and improvement. Good luck on the funding issues :).

    Were you hand holding or on a tripod?
    Hand held Artie; the hide where this was taken is designed for bird watchers:eek:
    and cant set up properly. I was able to rest on the window sill though.
    FL was 520 with SS at 1/500 probably an issue though I am used and normally get reasonable results. For me it looks like the birdie moved a very tiny amount, as the water rings around him look sharp.
    Shooting a static object at 520mm handheld comes out sharp as a pin
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    Richard, Richard, Richard. No shock that it is not sharp.... You had only the central sensor; where did you attempt to focus???
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    Actually I only use the Top right focus point if using auto on the 100-400 and TC and try for the eye.

    The combo (with pins taped) hunts on the centre point and will not lock. Works on the TR for some bizarre reason. The canon TC does not work on autofocus on a 40D unless one does this.

    So, what would you advise, apart from going manual

    Incidently I use A1 Servo and the Internet is littered with comments bashing the 40D in this mode, so will try single shot. Oh and apparently using all the focus points is even worse.
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    Weird, My understanding is that only the central sensor would work if you tape the pins....

    That aside, I have always recommended/stated/written that folks using a 100-400 with a 1.4X TC must be on a sturdy tripod (preferably with a Mongoose M3.6) and that with a pro-sumer body that they focus manually.

    Trying to make sharp images hand holding with the top right center is pretty much never going to produce a sharp image.... Ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Weird, My understanding is that only the central sensor would work if you tape the pins....

    Absolutely 100% correct,exactly what I read, but then I found out it doesnt work well at all.
    TR seems to work much better, and idea to try came from Canon Forum though understanding why is more of a challenge!

    That aside, I have always recommended/stated/written that folks using a 100-400 with a 1.4X TC must be on a sturdy tripod (preferably with a Mongoose M3.6) and that with a pro-sumer body that they focus manually.

    I agree with this also and some time back started using tripod for most shots with this combo.I have a Giotto with Pro BALL- head system MH 1302-6652.

    Trying to make sharp images hand holding with the top right center is pretty much never going to produce a sharp image.... Ever.

    It certainly makes life hard
    Thank you once again for your input

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    You are most welcome. Another option for manually focusing is to sit with your arms braced on your knees but a tripod is much to be preferred by folks who breathe.... Accurate focus is so critical that our movements (even when we think we are standing perfectly still) will throw the focus off by miles....
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