Results 1 to 20 of 20

Thread: Juxtaposed Least Terns

  1. #1
    Publisher Arthur Morris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Indian Lake Estates, FL
    Posts
    32,506
    Threads
    1,433
    Thank You Posts

    Default Juxtaposed Least Terns

    Attached Images Attached Images
     
    I created this image at Matanzas Inlet on the way home from the St. Augustine Bird Fest gig with the Canon 800mm, the 1.4X III TC, and the EOS-1D MIV. ISO 400. Evaluative metering +1 stop: 1/160 sec. at f/16 in Av mode.

    With the light increasing slowly, a middle light subject and a light background working in Av mode was best for me; fast and simple and no need to change anything....

    Don't be shy; all comments welcome.

    For lots of Alligator Farm lessons check out the recent blog posts here (and scroll down).
    BIRDS AS ART Blog: great info and lessons, lots of images with our legendary BAA educational Captions; we will not sell you junk. 30+ years of long lens experience/e-mail with gear questions.

    BIRDS AS ART Online Store: we will not sell you junk. 35 years of long lens experience. Please e-mail with gear questions.

    Check out the new SONY e-Guide and videos that I did with Patrick Sparkman here. Ten percent discount for BPN members,

    E-mail me at samandmayasgrandpa@att.net.










  2. #2
    BPN Member dankearl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Portland, Oregon
    Posts
    8,825
    Threads
    1,355
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    I would remove the blurred foreground, it doesn't add much and detracts from the image.
    I like the "ghost" bird, it would be nice if the branch behind the subject was in focus, but probably not possible.
    The subject TERN looks very nice.
    I would also crop the yellow caste off the top and make this a pano with just the subject and the ghost image behind.

  3. #3
    BPN Viewer
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    386
    Threads
    27
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Artie
    Like the concept, "ghost bird", colors, low angle, ...

    Unsure why the whites above and behind the bill lack feather detail- look "blown" yet measure around 220-230.

    If mine : I'd mask out the grey shell/clam in LLC and soften edges of the brown reed/stick running up along left edge, but that's personal taste

  4. #4
    BPN Viewer
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Sydney Australia
    Posts
    1,124
    Threads
    187
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Leave it. I like the OOF shell (?) in the foreground and if you took out the OOf foreground it seems that you would cut the shell in half. Even if you cut off the OOF foreground below the shell you would still be back at square one with an OOf forground. I do however think that if there was another cm or two of foreground then it would be too much.

    I like the plant/flower in the backgrond - sort of frames the image.

    Having read through the AV vs Manual thread - no comment.

  5. #5
    Ofer Levy
    Guest

    Default

    Exposure and sharpness look fine to me although I can't see much detail on the cheek. Eye contact is good too. However, the following factors make this image a borderline keeper IMHO (if it was a really rare bird ):
    OOF bird at the BG, stick behind the subject, OOF dead butterfly(?) in the FG, oof flower and stem on the left. Composition is not great but that can be fixed.
    Last edited by Ofer Levy; 05-04-2011 at 11:10 PM.

  6. #6
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    3,949
    Threads
    254
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Artie,

    I think the lack of feather detail is in part due to the very low phase angle.

    I agree with Ofer's assessment.

    Roger

  7. #7
    Publisher Arthur Morris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Indian Lake Estates, FL
    Posts
    32,506
    Threads
    1,433
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Clark View Post
    Artie,

    I think the lack of feather detail is in part due to the very low phase angle.

    Roger
    Roger, Are you suggesting that I should have moved left or right, or gotten higher (to increase the phase angle)?
    BIRDS AS ART Blog: great info and lessons, lots of images with our legendary BAA educational Captions; we will not sell you junk. 30+ years of long lens experience/e-mail with gear questions.

    BIRDS AS ART Online Store: we will not sell you junk. 35 years of long lens experience. Please e-mail with gear questions.

    Check out the new SONY e-Guide and videos that I did with Patrick Sparkman here. Ten percent discount for BPN members,

    E-mail me at samandmayasgrandpa@att.net.










  8. #8
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    3,949
    Threads
    254
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Roger, Are you suggesting that I should have moved left or right, or gotten higher (to increase the phase angle)?
    Hi Artie,

    Yes, right or left. I like the low angle, so not higher unless one needed to get above a foreground object. Moving about 10 degrees to the left (not sure how many feet that would be) (or right) would start to show some shadows, even at the micro level of the feathers, thus showing more fine detail.

    Roger

  9. #9
    Publisher Arthur Morris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Indian Lake Estates, FL
    Posts
    32,506
    Threads
    1,433
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Thank you kind sir. I shall try it. One is never too old to learn something new.
    BIRDS AS ART Blog: great info and lessons, lots of images with our legendary BAA educational Captions; we will not sell you junk. 30+ years of long lens experience/e-mail with gear questions.

    BIRDS AS ART Online Store: we will not sell you junk. 35 years of long lens experience. Please e-mail with gear questions.

    Check out the new SONY e-Guide and videos that I did with Patrick Sparkman here. Ten percent discount for BPN members,

    E-mail me at samandmayasgrandpa@att.net.










  10. #10
    Lifetime Member Marina Scarr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    10,347
    Threads
    403
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    While you know I am a lover of photographers which include the environment, this one gave me quite a bit of pause for thought. So I came back to it again today. I love the main subject. The light is gorgeous, and I like the pose. What poses the biggest problem for me is the shell/stone right in front of the bird which I find quite distracting. If that were out, and with a tad off the bottom and right, I think this capture would be more pleasing.
    Marina Scarr
    Florida Master Naturalist
    Website, Facebook

  11. #11
    Publisher Arthur Morris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Indian Lake Estates, FL
    Posts
    32,506
    Threads
    1,433
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Attached Images Attached Images
     
    Many thanks to all of those above who helped me improve this one a lot. Did pretty much all of what was suggested and a bit more. Questions on how I did what are always welcome :).
    BIRDS AS ART Blog: great info and lessons, lots of images with our legendary BAA educational Captions; we will not sell you junk. 30+ years of long lens experience/e-mail with gear questions.

    BIRDS AS ART Online Store: we will not sell you junk. 35 years of long lens experience. Please e-mail with gear questions.

    Check out the new SONY e-Guide and videos that I did with Patrick Sparkman here. Ten percent discount for BPN members,

    E-mail me at samandmayasgrandpa@att.net.










  12. #12
    BPN Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Dallas, Texas.
    Posts
    6,260
    Threads
    426
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Artie, repost really rocks. low angle, exp, whites....terrific terrific. I like OOF juxtaposed birds...and I also am liking the oof yellows. The peach color shades in the FG-BG is what I think really make this one so pleasing.

  13. #13
    Publisher Arthur Morris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Indian Lake Estates, FL
    Posts
    32,506
    Threads
    1,433
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Thanks KD. Aside from the obvious clean-up stuff I painted a Quick Mask of the stem and the leaves on the left and ran a 40 pixel Gaussian blur; I use that technique often with bushes and other vegetation.
    BIRDS AS ART Blog: great info and lessons, lots of images with our legendary BAA educational Captions; we will not sell you junk. 30+ years of long lens experience/e-mail with gear questions.

    BIRDS AS ART Online Store: we will not sell you junk. 35 years of long lens experience. Please e-mail with gear questions.

    Check out the new SONY e-Guide and videos that I did with Patrick Sparkman here. Ten percent discount for BPN members,

    E-mail me at samandmayasgrandpa@att.net.










  14. #14
    Avian Moderator Randy Stout's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    SW Michigan
    Posts
    14,112
    Threads
    820
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Artie:

    Sorry to be late to the party, but the repost addresses all of my concerns with the OP except one. I like the inclusion of the yellow plant material as it repeats the yellow in the bills.

    The one remaining item is the dark stick. It seems almost too dark, harsh, and seems to detract from the somewhat dreamy feel to the image. Works well with it, but wonder how it would look without.

    Cheers

    Randy
    MY BPN ALBUMS

    "Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy" Sir Isaac Newton

  15. #15
    Lifetime Member Marina Scarr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    10,347
    Threads
    403
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    The RP works way better in every way. The capture is now a keeper. While the stick doesn't exactly float my boat, and probably doesn't float yours, I think you have made it work for you here.
    Marina Scarr
    Florida Master Naturalist
    Website, Facebook

  16. #16
    Lifetime Member Stu Bowie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Centurion, South Africa
    Posts
    21,360
    Threads
    1,435
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Great low perspective Artie, and you have nailed the exposure and sharpness. I do like the pastel colours of the BG, and your repost works well.

  17. #17
    Publisher Arthur Morris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Indian Lake Estates, FL
    Posts
    32,506
    Threads
    1,433
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    I am fine with the stick, in fact, for me it adds quite a bit. And I would not even think of removing something so major in an image. The bird chose to nest next to the stick, probably for a good reason so removing it would be quite tampering with the natural history of the scene. A fine line if you consider that I routinely remove distracting branches or twigs from images of perched bird.... But none-the-less, it is a fine but distinct line to me.
    BIRDS AS ART Blog: great info and lessons, lots of images with our legendary BAA educational Captions; we will not sell you junk. 30+ years of long lens experience/e-mail with gear questions.

    BIRDS AS ART Online Store: we will not sell you junk. 35 years of long lens experience. Please e-mail with gear questions.

    Check out the new SONY e-Guide and videos that I did with Patrick Sparkman here. Ten percent discount for BPN members,

    E-mail me at samandmayasgrandpa@att.net.










  18. #18
    BPN Viewer
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Sydney Australia
    Posts
    1,124
    Threads
    187
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Ok, I think I have learned that you can always improve an image and the second image is certainly easier on the eye. I do however still like the first image with all its debris scattered around and the yellows of the plants matching the yellow in the bills: as Randy pointed out.

    Arthur could you explain that blur technique?

  19. #19
    Publisher Arthur Morris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Indian Lake Estates, FL
    Posts
    32,506
    Threads
    1,433
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Paint a Quick Mask, put it on its own Layer, and run the Gaussian Blur. All that and tons more is explained in detail in our Digital Basics File, an e-mail-able PDF.
    BIRDS AS ART Blog: great info and lessons, lots of images with our legendary BAA educational Captions; we will not sell you junk. 30+ years of long lens experience/e-mail with gear questions.

    BIRDS AS ART Online Store: we will not sell you junk. 35 years of long lens experience. Please e-mail with gear questions.

    Check out the new SONY e-Guide and videos that I did with Patrick Sparkman here. Ten percent discount for BPN members,

    E-mail me at samandmayasgrandpa@att.net.










  20. #20
    Forum Participant
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Leiden, The Netherlands
    Posts
    1,020
    Threads
    148
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Hi artie,

    Great PS work done and the repost looks great. I would still consider losing the darker twig behind the tern though. I do however love the OOF tern in the BG and the intimate mood of the tern on its nest with lovely light!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Web Analytics