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    My first try at topaz hdr effect. Taken at night at a local bike night gathering. The engine was lite with red neon type running lights and gave the chrome this red effect. Used my Sony A100 with a Sigma 14mm 2.8 on a tripod ISO 80, 14mm, 0 ev, f/3.5, 0.6 sec. no flash. Thanks for looking

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    John, I like this very much. I might tighten up the comp w/ a slice off the back (left) and some off the bottom since you clipped the foot petal I might make it look more intentional with a crop. I might tone down that one bright area lower left and the upper right white spot. Nice colors and this has a lot of interest!:)

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    I like the look and the tight composition but as stated above tighter would likely be better :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    I like the look and the tight composition but as stated above tighter would likely be better :)
    Is this better?

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    now that i see them both, I like the original.

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    Love the effect on all that chrome, aluminum and steel. very cool!

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    John, I was thinking more like this. This is your image and your vision. I am only offering my opinion:)

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    John, I like Denise's crop. The image quality in your repost in Pane #4 went down the tubes somewhere....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    John, I like Denise's crop. The image quality in your repost in Pane #4 went down the tubes somewhere....
    I know, I only recropped. Don't know why it did that. Also, I don't know how Denise was able to recrop and keep basically the same view. When I recrop it seems to magnify the image. How do I recrop and keep perspective the same? Thanks

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    Best is to start with the optimized master file, then crop, then create the JPEG :) RE-saving a JPEG can wreck things especially after re-sizing.
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    Thanks Artie. You are right. I went to the jpeg and just resized it and I should of gone back to the original file. I rushed it this morning before I went off to work. Would you explain how I could of cropped this tighter but kept the same perspective as the original post. As I said, I always seem to have a more magnified image the more I crop. Denise seemed to be able to crop some off the original and keep the same perspective, like she just took some scissors and cut off what she didn't want. Am I missing something? Thanks.

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    Thanks Denise. I like your repost. See my response to Artie about cropping. How did you crop this and keep same perspective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Hawkins View Post
    Would you explain how I could have cropped this tighter but kept the same perspective as the original post. As I said, I always seem to have a more magnified image the more I crop. Denise seemed to be able to crop some off the original and keep the same perspective, like she just took some scissors and cut off what she didn't want. Am I missing something? Thanks.
    I am confused John when you write "it looks (sic) like she just took some scissors and cut off what she didn't want. Am I missing something?"

    Why am I confused? Because that is exactly what cropping is, cutting off what you don't want with scissors. It sounds as if you are doing something very wrong if you are truly changing the perspective.... Do you have Digital Basics? Several simple methods of cropping an image are covered in detail....
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    Artie, I did purchase your digital basics a couple of years back. I think the last update I had was 2009. But I don't seem to find much explanation on how to crop. I think there was 1 section that briefly explained a little.

    I use aperature and find the crop tool works easily. But if I have a picture in which the subject is, lets say takes up 25 % of the frame and I crop it, it now fills up much more of the frame. You seem to be telling me that I can crop the image and keep it at 25% of the frame. This is the part that is confusing me. Maybe I am just too thick. I know I am one who learns easier by watching someone, and sometimes it takes me a while to get it by reading. And maybe I am just not explaining myself well enough. I thought that when a picture was cropped, the image became larger in the frame.

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    John, When you are cropping are you using- constrain crop proportions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Hawkins View Post
    Artie, I did purchase your digital basics a couple of years back. I think the last update I had was 2009. But I don't seem to find much explanation on how to crop. I think there was 1 section that briefly explained a little.

    I use Aperature and find the crop tool works easily. But if I have a picture in which the subject is, lets say takes up 25 % of the frame and I crop it, it now fills up much more of the frame. You seem to be telling me that I can crop the image and keep it at 25% of the frame. This is the part that is confusing me. Maybe I am just too thick. I know I am one who learns easier by watching someone, and sometimes it takes me a while to get it by reading. And maybe I am just not explaining myself well enough. I thought that when a picture was cropped, the image became larger in the frame.
    Hi John,

    You can use the Find feature to help locate stuff. I looked for crop and found this on page 53 of the DEC 2009 Revision and Update:

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    Open the converted file that you wish to work on using one of the methods described above. Then click on the blue Background box in the Layers window, drag it down, and place it atop the “Create a New Layer” icon (or work on an empty layer as described above). The Create a New Layer icon is the one next to the Garbage Can icon in the row of icons at the bottom of the Layers window. A “Background Copy” layer will appear above the Background layer and this layer will now be the one highlighted in blue. You are working on layers to prevent damaging the pixels in the original image. If the image requires cropping, select the Crop Tool from the Tool box by left clicking on it. The cursor will appear as the Crop Tool symbol. Place it near the corner of the image on the spot you would like to start, click and drag the cropping frame as desired, and then release the cursor. Don’t worry if you are off a bit; you can grab any of the frame-edges and move them in or out, up or down. When you have achieved the crop that you want, there are three options: you can click on Image/Crop, simply click on the check mark that will appear just to the right of center on the Tool Options Bar, or double left-click on the image.

    As for your question about the 25%, I have no clue as to what you are asking :)
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    In panel 1 the original picture, Denise suggested a closer crop. I did that in panel 4, but the engine is now is larger in the frame and doesn't look right to me. Denise, in panel 7, seemed to crop it and keep the perspective the same. It looks much better. She mentions in panel 15 if I used constrain crop proportions. i don't know what that is. It must be in photoshop and as I mentioned, I use Aperature. I will have to see if it is something I can do in aperature.

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