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    40D, EF 70-200 F4 IS
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    Garden setup, blind, tripod

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    Ovidiu:

    Lovely image with good techs, perch is interesting, colors play well off the bird,good pose, nice background.

    I think the wings are just slightly oversharpened as I am seeing some jaggies along the edges of the primaries.

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    Thanks for comment Randy. Agree about jaggies but I see them a bit on raw also and they are present when looking at small size image. Don't know why.

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    crop from 100% view without sharpening

    Sorry, chosed the wrong file.
    I think I'll better return to ETL forum:o
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    Ovidiu:

    I think that your original file shows the slight serrated texture/coloration on the bird, and as it was sharpened it really increased the contrast there and made it look oversharpened on the smaller image.

    I find I am sensitive to the jaggies, when others aren't, and work very hard at selective sharpening to try and avoid that.

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    here it is, converted from raw, viewed at 100% and croped.

    Sorry about the mistake I've made:o

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    Quote Originally Posted by OvidiuCavasdan View Post
    crop from 100% view without sharpening

    Sorry, chosed the wrong file.
    I think I'll better return to ETL forum:o

    No, you are more than welcome to stay on Avian:) I was just trying to help refine the image a bit.

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    Beautiful shot. Great colors, BG, pose, angle and composition. Since there is lot of sharpness in the 100% crop, during selective sharpening, it might be better to not select the wings. I used to do that a lot...select the entire bird and sharpen....but now I find myself doing a lot of smaller selections and varying the usm values as per need on those smaller selections.

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    As good as it gets. A sweet image.

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    Beautiful capture. Love the BG and the interesting perch.

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    Very nice image design, great colours, comp, and pose. I sometimes get these jaggies with Chickadees and Kinglets too, for example. I always save a "final" version but with no NR or sharpening. When I open the image to sharpen for whatever purpose I find myself using the History Brush at about 50% and paint with it over the affected area(s), repeat if necessary, to reduce the sharpening effect (in your caser the wing). Works like a charm for me, and fast too.

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    Lovely Bird captured so nicely . Liked the BG Perch and colors here

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    Thank you all for comments, guidance and help.:)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Cadieux View Post
    Very nice image design, great colours, comp, and pose. I sometimes get these jaggies with Chickadees and Kinglets too, for example. I always save a "final" version but with no NR or sharpening. When I open the image to sharpen for whatever purpose I find myself using the History Brush at about 50% and paint with it over the affected area(s), repeat if necessary, to reduce the sharpening effect (in your caser the wing). Works like a charm for me, and fast too.
    Hi Mate, can you be more specific in the use of the History Brush. I have seen you refer to this tool in several posts. Thanks,

    PS: very cool bird.
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    Excellent sharpness and details and what a great BG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Gould View Post
    Hi Mate, can you be more specific in the use of the History Brush. I have seen you refer to this tool in several posts. Thanks,

    PS: very cool bird.
    Sure thing Jay.

    The history brush is used to locally paint away any adjusments done to an image...if you don't use layers it will reduce ALL adjustments done to the areas painted over (contrast, saturation, etc...) so careful when and where you use it.

    I only use the history brush for NR**, or to reduce the intensity of sharpening in certain areas...and I don't need to worry about layers because I'm just prepping my "final" image anyways. Kind of like selective de-sharpening by paint:) Instead of selecting areas to sharpen I just sharpen the whole thing (bird and perch) and then, if needed, I paint over the areas that seem too much (such as the wings here). 50% opacity is just a starting point and gives the effect of halving the sharpening intensity...100% would remove the sharpening completely. When using a very soft brush (0% hardness) the result is seamless. Use a larger sized brush for large areas and a smaller one near the edges or thinner areas such as the bill. Mind you it doesn't happen too often that I need to do this for sharpening, but when it does happen its a great tool and I find it handy to have in my repertoire.

    **I do the same for NR all the time. I apply NR to the whole image, then paint away on the subject and perch at 100% to remove the effect on those, leaving the BG nice and smooth. Use a large brush for large areas and a smaller one near the edges. Very fast, and again with the soft brush it is seamless.

    Hope this was explained well enough...:o

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    Thanks Dan, in your workflow is NR a first or last step, or somewhere in between :o ? Cheers,
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    In my workflow if NR is needed then it is second to last thing done. Sharpening always last.

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    Very interesting!

    Topaz, in their noise removal recommendations states:

    1. The most important thing to remember when dealing with image noise is to remove
    it before making any other adjustments to your image. The presence of noise can drastically
    alter your color, detail and other creative enhancements, so it is always best to
    work on a clean image.
    I have been using Pixel Genius at various stages of the image which has software for capture, creative during processing, and output.

    Horses for courses! :)

    Thank Dan; I will have a play with the history brush.
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    Yes, interesting how there are many ways eh! I've never used Pixel Genuis nor Topaz so I cannot make any comments on those. I do use Noise Ninja (as a PS plug-in) and I've never had issues where colours or other adjusments have been altered by its use...well, except details but that is where the history brush comes handy:)

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    Ovidiu, superb shot. Beautiful colors, perfect pose, nice background. Congratulation.

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