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    Here is an e-mail exchange with Ken Watkins:

    AM: Hey Ken, It is good to hear from you.


    KW: I am finding it more difficult to hand-hold my 500mm F4 as I get older, so I have resigned myself to getting a tripod.

    AM: :)

    KW: Obviously I need something that will fit into the somewhat limited space...

    AM: Into the limited space of a safari vehicle???

    KW: ...and would not need a great height, but what I do need is a small collapsed height and low weight for plane travel.

    AM: How tall are you?

    Do you already own a Wimberley head? (I suspect not.)

    If yes, which version?


    KW: For the head I like the look of the Mongoose M3.6, possibly with the Integrated Flash Arm.

    AM: Will you be photographing on the grounds of the lodges at times, or always and only from the vehicles?

    KW: Please let me know what you would recommend.

    AM: One last but most important question: How often are you photographing from three roof-hatch vehicles?

    I will get back to you as soon as I get your responses. later and love, artie
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    Artie,

    Thanks very much.

    Yes I meant the limited space of a safari vehicle, although there are usually only 3 of us (whenever possible we hire a private vehicle) you very often get little space to place a tripod, I sometimes use a monopod and have an RRS MH 10 head we have yet to test out.

    I own an RRS BH55 and side kick but hardly use them. I actually meant Integrated Lower Arm (the one with the top loading ) not flash arm.

    I very rarely shoot in lodges or campsites, but when nobody is looking I sometimes get out of a vehicle, but rarely.

    Some walking but for this I tend to take a 300 mm F4

    Very rarely use roof hatch vehicles and would prefer not to, I use a bean bag for these rare occasions.

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    Peter,

    Thanks for the info.

    Whay would you recommend as a "solid" tripod.

    Our position is somewhat different to most in that we always have a private vehicle, not that this always means plenty of space.

    In Botswana we use a modified Land Rover which has so much space you would not belive it.

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    Guys,
    Are you aware of the Todd Pod?
    http://www.gustafsonphotosafari.net/?page_id=43

    or for window mounts, the groofwinpod
    http://www.rue.com/index.php?main_pa...&products_id=6

    Both work well.

    Roger

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    Roger,

    Thanks for the info


    I have certainly seen the roof pod before, but I rarely use opening roof vehicles.

    I have tried several window mounts when self driving in my own vehicle (this has windows) but have found bean bags work OK in this situation.

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    Ken - Sadly, I have never had the experience of being on safari (some day...), so I can't offer anything personally, but I though I'd mention that I was watching a video on the Really Right Stuff website recently (a referral from another BPN post) that discussed some prototype safari gear they were testing for use inside safari vehicles (it appeared to be a monopod used in conjunction with a clamp system) - it might be of interest to you.

    These are the links -
    http://reallyrightstuff.com/WebsiteInfo.aspx?fc=124 and
    http://reallyrightstuff.com/mmrrs/Ot...sletter10.html

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    Jeff,

    I think it might have been me that posted these links. The gear looks great and may probably be a very good solution to this problem, unfortunately it is not yet available (the clamp that is) plus it is super expensive saying that my other RRS purchases are of superb quality plus it only available on mail order. Shipping to SA is ludicrously expensive

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    As you return to Blighty on a regular basis Ken try this, no worries about shipping and is affordable:

    http://www.speedgraphic.co.uk/clamps...t/20278_p.html
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    Steve,

    Thanks for that , this would seem ideal for when I self drive.

    Still need a gimbal though any suggestions on a reasonably priced place in UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Kes View Post
    Ken, I forgot about private vehicles, but as you say, not much more space. With a solid tripod I mean one that can handle a large lens. I lost my 400/2.8 and camera mounted on a flimsy head, it simply broke off after my hand got stuck between lens and tripod leg, when the lens was tilting down on its own: I was photographing from a car in KP when this happened. Lens down first and seriously damaged, camera hitting the tarmac and in 1000pcs. In view of that experience, my recommendation is: 'solid'. Tripod must have a screw-on mechanism, the head should be of caliber MH-10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Clark View Post
    Guys,
    Are you aware of the Todd Pod?
    http://www.gustafsonphotosafari.net/?page_id=43

    or for window mounts, the groofwinpod
    http://www.rue.com/index.php?main_pa...&products_id=6

    Both work well.

    Roger
    The Todd-Pod, picture here, is designed only for use in three hatch vehicles as it needs solid corners on all four sides (of each person's hatch).

    We would appreciate folks contacting us for Todd Pod purchases; that way Todd makes a few bucks and BAA makes a few bucks :)

    The Groofwin pod might be an option depending on the size of the window opening and the window type.

    Either of the above will allow for the use of a gimbal type head, either the Wimberley or the Mongoose.

    BTW, when I went to Africa I always used a Todd-Pod. Todd and I would only arrange tours with the three roof hatch vehicles that are readily available in East Africa. And I always brought my old Wimberley, the WH-100 rather than the V-2 as the former is a lot taller. Todd does the same.
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    Hi All, I copied this from a thread as it seems that Saleel has had great success using the Wimberley on a monopod. Live and learn for me :) :confused:

    You can see the image at the bottom of this pane. The responses are all down below as I merged the comments otherwise nothing would have made sense. I asked Saleel to make some additional comments in hopes of educating all of us. His hoped for response will appear as a new comment. Hope that I do not confuse anyone :)

    artie



    Folks,

    I am posting after a long gap...in fact several months gone in between after my last post!

    This is the famous and spectacular courtship phenomenon of Great Crested Grebe - when they perform a dance using the aquatic weeds. The male picks up a few twigs and the female too picks us few twigs of aquatic weeds. There is an exchange of the weeds as a token of love. The display is so energetic that the birds rise out of the water and make interesting splashes.

    Canon 40D , Canon 500mm +1.4x , ISO 800, Wimberly head on monopod,
    1/750 at f 8.0 , evaluative metering -1/3

    Cheers,
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    A beautiful bird I have missed since moving stateside. Nice water action and behavioural action. The slightly left of center framing makes the image feel a little unbalanced. maybe a central placement with this kind of action.

    I need to try the wimberley on a monopod, it sounds interesting.

    cheers
    Gavin

    With all due repsect, a Wimberely on a monopod makes zero sense to me.... Zero :) (I missed that....)

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    With all due repsect, a Wimberely on a monopod makes zero sense to me.... Zero :) (I missed that....)
    Many thanks Artie for your feedback #1 and #2. Also thanks to all others. Its always a pleasure to be back on BPN after a gap.

    Regarding using Wimberly with monopod ( Artie's #2 point) - Honestly speaking - even I was quite apprehensive in the begining and fully agree with Artie that it does not make much point to use a wimberly with monopod.

    BUT,
    What I always found that When I attach my 500+1.4x combo on a monopod directly via the tripod collar - it restricts the upwardly and downwardly swivel / turn movement quite a lot.

    Instead if I attach a wimberly on a monopod, the manouvering of the lens become much easier for me and helps me especially if I have to quickly point the lens up or down or to follow a BIF path. Otherwise its quite difficult to turn the lens up or down by a sharp angle because the tripod feet can't be flexible enough for sharp angles.

    Not sure how much it makes sense to everyone - but to me it is a lot more convenient and flexible !

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    Thanks a ton Saleel. As I have never used a monpod, I am the student here. What puzzles me is that stability is not adversely affected. Do you also lock the head before shooting? Do you set a fairly firm tension? Do see the safari mount thread in Photo Gear. In fact, I will copy some of this to that thread and hope that you can respond there. Will post a link if I am successful :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Dyck View Post
    Ken - Sadly, I have never had the experience of being on safari (some day...), so I can't offer anything personally, but I though I'd mention that I was watching a video on the Really Right Stuff website recently (a referral from another BPN post) that discussed some prototype safari gear they were testing for use inside safari vehicles (it appeared to be a monopod used in conjunction with a clamp system) - it might be of interest to you.

    These are the links -
    http://reallyrightstuff.com/WebsiteInfo.aspx?fc=124 and
    http://reallyrightstuff.com/mmrrs/Ot...sletter10.html
    Thanks Jeff, I followed the first link but that was only a fluff promo piece with zero info. That brought me to a second video on the PG-02. Aside from the side to side adjustment this seems to be just a much heavier than a Mongoose Side-Mounting head.

    I followed several more links trying to learn about the monopod clamping system but found only confusing info, images that did not depict the product very well at all, and the following statement:

    "As pleased as I was with the rigidity and versatility of the rig, the consensus was that we needed to make it much simpler so that non-mechanically inclined photographers could attach it on and off the safari vehicle with aplomb."

    All in all not very revealing or helpful :)

    I am not at all sure how clamping a monopod (which is designed to give you both support and freedom) helps with the freedom part of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Watkins View Post
    Jeff,

    I think it might have been me that posted these links. The gear looks great and may probably be a very good solution to this problem, unfortunately it is not yet available (the clamp that is) plus it is super expensive saying that my other RRS purchases are of superb quality plus it only available on mail order. Shipping to SA is ludicrously expensive
    I pretty much agree. As for the shipping, we agree and understand your plight as we ship tripods and heads to Europe, Asia, and Africa every week at ridiculously high cost to our customers. We can send it cheaper with no guarantee that it will either arrive at its destination or not be stolen (or both) :)

    No customer would be willing at accept the loss of an expensive shipment and neither are we :), the shipper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Watkins View Post
    Artie,

    Thanks very much.

    Yes I meant the limited space of a safari vehicle, although there are usually only 3 of us (whenever possible we hire a private vehicle) you very often get little space to place a tripod, I sometimes use a monopod and have an RRS MH 10 head we have yet to test out.

    I own an RRS BH55 and side kick but hardly use them. I actually meant Integrated Lower Arm (the one with the top loading ) not flash arm.

    I very rarely shoot in lodges or campsites, but when nobody is looking I sometimes get out of a vehicle, but rarely.

    Some walking but for this I tend to take a 300 mm F4

    Very rarely use roof hatch vehicles and would prefer not to, I use a bean bag for these rare occasions.
    Peter's monopod advice seems good. I, however, have never used a monopod :) Do you use vehicles that are completely open, or closed vehicles with windows?

    When I went to Africa I would often use a BLUBB turned upside down and placed on the roof of the vehicle. And always an old Wimberley on a Todd-Pod.

    Clamping a monopod to this or that does not seem a great idea to me as you are severely limiting your ability to get the lens in the spot it needs to be....

    As for heads to monopods, I have no knowledge other than to say that putting a ballhead on a monopod seems ridiculous. Any one agree or disagree?

    Lastly, Ken, if you could share a few photos of the vehicles that you photograph from and if Peter could post an image of what goes on top of his monopod, perhaps I could think of something as your problem seems to be a thorny one with no obvious solution.
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    Artie,

    I do not have any pictures of the open vehicles that are used on our safaris, and depending on the lodge or mobile operator they all differ tremendously. Most have fixed roofs but some do not, where the fixed roof is present there are support bars of various thicknesses, and I know some people attach clamps to the to support a head of some type. The problem with these is lack of movement (flexibility) , a problem you have identified in the RRS monopod clamp.

    I have an MH-01 ( not MH10) (just purchased) it is a head for monopds from RRS, it seems a neat idea and seems really well built , although I cannot really comment until I have tried it in the safari situation.

    http://reallyrightstuff.com/ProductD...od-Head&key=it

    I also ocassionaly self drive and have tried many mounts that have been largely useless (Apex Beanbag), As I sit in the back whilst my wife drives something like the mount Steve provided the link to may be useful, it certainly looks sturdy enough. This could be used with a gimbal head like the Mongoose although it still restricts me to one side of the vehicle, but it is easy to change position if you are self driving in a relatively quiet reserve in SA or Namibia.

    At the moment I am siding on the side of a monopd with the MH-10 head for most open safari vehicles. If I get a window clamp and Mongoose for my vehicle then I may also be able to use it in on a tripod in Botswana where the guy we go with has a Land Rover with so much space in iy you would not believe it, he used to drive for Fritz Lanting.

    It seems that there is not really one solution (as always)

    Finally I tried a ballhead on a monopd and agree with your conclusions, absolutely worthless!

    Thanks to everybody for their ideas.

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    Hi Again Ken,

    With the MH-01 you will need to purchase the larger of the two clamps. Have you done that already? In addition, mounting the lens in the same direction of the tilt seems senseless. As doe mounting it 90 degrees to the tilt. Mr. Kes, can you help me here? Why not attach a big lens to the monopod naked, tilt the monopod for up or down, and rotate the lens in the tripod collar as needed to level????

    Nice to have a chauffeuress.

    And I think you meant Franz....

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    Artie,

    Sorry for Fritz a typo:)

    I think I will need more than good luck;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Hi All, I copied this from a thread as it seems that Saleel has had great success using the Wimberley on a monopod. Live and learn for me :) :confused:

    You can see the image at the bottom of this pane. The responses are all down below as I merged the comments otherwise nothing would have made sense. I asked Saleel to make some additional comments in hopes of educating all of us. His hoped for response will appear as a new comment. Hope that I do not confuse anyone :)

    artie



    Folks,

    I am posting after a long gap...in fact several months gone in between after my last post!

    This is the famous and spectacular courtship phenomenon of Great Crested Grebe - when they perform a dance using the aquatic weeds. The male picks up a few twigs and the female too picks us few twigs of aquatic weeds. There is an exchange of the weeds as a token of love. The display is so energetic that the birds rise out of the water and make interesting splashes.

    Canon 40D , Canon 500mm +1.4x , ISO 800, Wimberly head on monopod,
    1/750 at f 8.0 , evaluative metering -1/3

    Cheers,
    Saleel Tambe
    East Croydon, Surrey, UK
    www.saleeltambe.com

    A beautiful bird I have missed since moving stateside. Nice water action and behavioural action. The slightly left of center framing makes the image feel a little unbalanced. maybe a central placement with this kind of action.

    I need to try the wimberley on a monopod, it sounds interesting.

    cheers
    Gavin

    With all due repsect, a Wimberely on a monopod makes zero sense to me.... Zero :) (I missed that....)



    Many thanks Artie for your feedback #1 and #2. Also thanks to all others. Its always a pleasure to be back on BPN after a gap.

    Regarding using Wimberly with monopod ( Artie's #2 point) - Honestly speaking - even I was quite apprehensive in the begining and fully agree with Artie that it does not make much point to use a wimberly with monopod.

    BUT,
    What I always found that When I attach my 500+1.4x combo on a monopod directly via the tripod collar - it restricts the upwardly and downwardly swivel / turn movement quite a lot.

    Instead if I attach a wimberly on a monopod, the manouvering of the lens become much easier for me and helps me especially if I have to quickly point the lens up or down or to follow a BIF path. Otherwise its quite difficult to turn the lens up or down by a sharp angle because the tripod feet can't be flexible enough for sharp angles.

    Not sure how much it makes sense to everyone - but to me it is a lot more convenient and flexible !

    cheers,
    Saleel Tambe
    www.saleeltambe.com

    Thanks a ton Saleel. As I have never used a monpod, I am the student here. What puzzles me is that stability is not adversely affected. Do you also lock the head before shooting? Do you set a fairly firm tension? Do see the safari mount thread in Photo Gear. In fact, I will copy some of this to that thread and hope that you can respond there. Will post a link if I am successful :)
    Following on from Arties reference to my mention of Monopod+ Wimberly, I would like to add a few more inputs here on Artie's request -

    Basically if I attach a 500mm+1.4x combination straight on to a monopod - I could only use it in horizontal pan direction (parallel to the ground) and wasn't able to make any vertical up or down movements because the lens collar feet can't swivel up or down & is very rigid with the monopod screw.
    Instead if I use Wimberly on a monopod - it increases the flexibility a lot by giving me all around movements and manouvering. I hold the Wimberly bracket using my left hand and right hand is fully available for use with the camera body controls & dials. The weight of the lens + wimberly + body passes through the vertical pole of monopod and hence provides reasonable centre of gravity. I anm finding this combination much more flexible and quicker than the limitations with a wimberly + triopod.
    But having said all that - obviously it won't provide the same level of gaurantee on the stability as a proper tripod mounted wimberly and undoubtedly the risk of shakes is always higher in monopod+wimbelry combo.
    What all I can summarise is - its a pretty handy and quick option in some specific situations !!

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    Thanks a ton Saleel. How do you keep the tension on the two knobs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Thanks a ton Saleel. How do you keep the tension on the two knobs?
    I keep the lower base knob fully tight so that any horizontal pan movement is not done by that knob.
    I then keep the upper bracket knob slightly loose ...and tighten it fully using my left hand when the desired inclination / position for the lens is achieved - so I can do a semi-circular (upwardly and downwardly) movement of the lens.

    Hope this explains it ...

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    Saleeltambe and Artie,

    Thanks for this remarkable info, I am greatly surprised by this.

    The next question is would it work with a Mongoose 3.6?

    My monopod is a Gitzo GM 5561T.

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    I am going to the Gambia in December, I will be taking a Gitzo 3530LS & a camera bean bag. I have plates on the 500mm, 100-400mm and 180mm macro to fit the Mongoose head, when not on a tripod I find the bean bag entirely satisfactory from the roof of the vehicle from the window or indeed on the ground. Just take an empty bean bag and when you get there make a bee line for the supermarket and get some peas or beans. Voila!!

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