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    This bird was photographed in pre-dawn light with the Canon 800mm f/5.6L IS lens and the EOS-1D MIV. ISO 800. Evaluative metering +2 stops: 1/200 sec. at f/5.6. 45 point AAFPS.

    See the interesting Head Angle Fine Points thread in the ER on Page 4 here. It starts in Pane #183.

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    There's no "fudge" factor on exposure here. I'm admiring the detail in both blacks and whites. My compliments at getting so close. Here in MD, we can't get within a country mile of this species. Interesting +2 stops EC. I would have been nervous at blowing out the whites. I learned a lot on this image.

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    A very nice image and the details are great. It contrasts with and complements your trumpeter in golden light very well. I would like to ask what your reasoning was behind using 45 point AAFFPS in this relatively static setting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanNewman View Post
    There's no "fudge" factor on exposure here. I'm admiring the detail in both blacks and whites. My compliments at getting so close. Here in MD, we can't get within a country mile of this species. Interesting +2 stops EC. I would have been nervous at blowing out the whites. I learned a lot on this image.
    Thanks Dean. Adding lots of light with light subject, soft light, and soft BKGRs is the song I have been singing (in ABP II and DB) for a long time :) This guy was a staple along the Madison River and when he wanted to feed he would swim right up to folks so no compliments needed. Denise and I were backing up..... Learning is why we are here. Remember, different cameras, different stories. This will work for MIII, MIV, and 7D. Could have even gone a bit more plus.

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    Beautiful exposure and detail. I would appreciate your view on my observation that whilst I am very impressed with the exposure and detail I wonder if it would yield yet more detail if the Highlights or the curve was lowered just a tiny bit. I suspect you would have considered this and deliberately gone for the image as presented. Thanks for your consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben_Sadd View Post
    A very nice image and the details are great. It contrasts with and complements your trumpeter in golden light very well. I would like to ask what your reasoning was behind using 45 point AAFFPS in this relatively static setting?
    Thanks Ben. Why do you say "static"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan Ashton View Post
    Beautiful exposure and detail. I would appreciate your view on my observation that whilst I am very impressed with the exposure and detail I wonder if it would yield yet more detail if the Highlights or the curve was lowered just a tiny bit. I suspect you would have considered this and deliberately gone for the image as presented. Thanks for your consideration.
    Thanks Jon. You are talking very fine points. "A tiny bit" might simply be a matter of tilting your monitor a single degree. From where I am sitting--and I mean that literally as I just processed the image, it looked good to me and if anything I was worried that I went too light. See how much I lightened the blacks by checking out the linked thread above.
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    I say "relatively" static. I assume this bird was swimming, so perhaps I should be clearer and say relatively slow moving :).

    I know you like the 45 point system for BIF, but was wondering if there was any particular reason you have chosen it over a single sensor in this case?

    I am just hoping to learn something about your thought process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    "A tiny bit" might simply be a matter of tilting your monitor a single degree. From where I am sitting--and I mean that literally as I just processed the image, it looked good to me and if anything I was worried that I went too light.
    You are sure right about tilting my monitor. I tilted my monitor & it dramatically changed the look of the image. An excellent image. Thanks for the lesson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Merwin View Post
    You are sure right about tilting my monitor. I tilted my monitor & it dramatically changed the look of the image. An excellent image. Thanks for the lesson.
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    Hi Ben,

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    I say "relatively" static. I assume this bird was swimming, so perhaps I should be clearer and say relatively slow moving :).

    Yes, swimming. Swimming is moving :)

    I know you like the 45 point system for BIF

    Not always.... That varies with the body and the camera.

    but was wondering if there was any particular reason you have chosen it over a single sensor in this case?

    I choose 45-point in very specific cases, this being one of them. Once I acquire focus with 45 point I find it relatively easy to move the bird back in the friend if need be. It works well for most horizontal head portraits and for vertical head and neck portraits of birds like herons and egrets.

    I am just hoping to learn something about your thought process.

    Did you? :)
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    PS to Ben, This is an extracted JPEG. You would not want to try for this COMP with the central sensor....
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    Wow exposure could not be better - lots learnt here and thanks.:D Is the background water or sky ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan Ashton View Post
    Beautiful exposure and detail. I would appreciate your view on my observation that whilst I am very impressed with the exposure and detail I wonder if it would yield yet more detail if the Highlights or the curve was lowered just a tiny bit. I suspect you would have considered this and deliberately gone for the image as presented. Thanks for your consideration.
    Hey Jon, Rereading your comment I think that I misunderstood a bit.... You wanted it a bit darker for the highlights. I agree that that might have been a good option.
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    Thanks for the reasoning. I see the point :)

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    YAW Ben. Pieter, the BKGR is water.
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    I prefer the Image with the darker background.

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    I like both; different strokes :)
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    Artie, would you do me the favor of posting the histogram of this image. I think I would find it very helpful. Thanks.
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    Which histogram? Before or post?
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    Artie very nice image with the high key BG. I like the exposure on both feathers and bill and the catchlight in the eye.

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    Excellent detail and exposure Artie, and I like the pose. Killer BG.

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    I like the colouration here .. almost Black and White but not !

    An emphatic slice of red.

    Wonder a little about the background patches such as in the bottom right .. might have applied a little Gaussian blur there to blend it in a bit!

    Lovely image

    Thanks for sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amano Samarpan View Post
    I like the colouration here .. almost Black and White but not !

    An emphatic slice of red.

    Wonder a little about the background patches such as in the bottom right .. might have applied a little Gaussian blur there to blend it in a bit!

    Lovely image

    Thanks for sharing. Artie
    Thanks Amano. I have already gotten rid of some dark in the upper left corner. I like the bit that I have left. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Which histogram? Before or post?
    Before please. Thanks
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    Hi Andrew, Here is the BreezeBrowser histogram. It shows that I could have gone a bit lighter with the original capture.
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    Thanks Artie. I appreciate it.
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    No problema Andrew. Any time.
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    Nice portrait, great exposure..great details on white and black.

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    Perfect details in blacks and whites. Excellent portrait. Congrats. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Thanks Amano. I have already gotten rid of some dark in the upper left corner. I like the bit that I have left. :)
    The only thing that made me respond to the BG Artie was when I saw the image on an uncalibrated screen ... then it stood out.

    Know what you mean about using lots of focus points ... if one was down to one, the obvious choice would be to place it on the non-central eye which might not be the best place!

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    Lots of focus points can work well but only in the right situation. This is one of them :)
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