Continuing with the head angles....
What say you on this one??
Full frame - sharpened a tad - some NR on the background.
D3S
Sigmonster @ 800mm WITH 36mm extension tubes
F5.6
1/40TH
-0.7EV
3200 ISO
Matrix Metering
Braced on car window.
Go for it.
Head Angle
Continuing with the head angles....
What say you on this one??
Full frame - sharpened a tad - some NR on the background.
D3S
Sigmonster @ 800mm WITH 36mm extension tubes
F5.6
1/40TH
-0.7EV
3200 ISO
Matrix Metering
Braced on car window.
Go for it.
Lance, head angle is perfect IMO.
I would like to crop a tad off on the right.
TFS. Got to love the ISO3200
Ok, I'll play... While the EYE angle is perfect I think the head is angled slightly away from the camera. If the bird turned its head such that the eye were centered I believe the HA would be better. Curious to see what the constable says. :cool:
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My ten cents.........
The yellow portion of the eye, suggests the head angle is slightly away and tilted down from the lens, assuming the bird is looking at the camera. It might have been even cooler to have the pupil centered and yellow portion of the eye even all the way around, requiring a slightly more rotated and tilted up HA. I just re-read Kerry post.........he already made the point.
jay
Last edited by Jay Sheinfield; 08-27-2010 at 11:47 AM.
I'm going with Jay on this one - if the yellow had been even all the way around I think it would be stronger...but I really like this angle as well (even with the beak turned slightly away) because it makes me feel like the bird is REALLY intent on making eye contact.
Lance,
Greetings. I can't fault the HA for lighting or detail, especially with dof probably on the short side of an inch (I'm guessing). If this were a human, I would say the showing whites of the eye is very appealing, that is, the tell of the HA that Kerry & Jay point out is an appealing feature rather than a flaw to my eye. To rephrase, the HA looks parallel to the sensor plane to me, perhaps pointing slightly downward (the eye slightly looking back because it's plane is slightly away), but the eye contact, lighting & detail make this a fine HA for my taste.
Cheers,
-Michael-
Seems we have some dis-agreement - best we call in the adjudicator ------ Artie --- You There!!!
If this is a bad HA it's got to be subtle. it appears from what little of the neck we can see that the body is angled away so I think this HA, which is therefore towards the photographer in relation to the body is tickitty-boo.
PS whenever I dive into one of these tricky ones, I'm always wrong!!!!
It is not a bad head angle and the great quality, SH, and color make up for the fact that the head is turned away from us perhaps 1/2 of one degree. One degree towards us would have been great.
Is the dark vignetting from the extension? What's the MFD of the SM?
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Lance,
IMO this is a little stronger crop.
On the head angle - it is very close to parallel.
At 800mm with 36mm of extension @ F 5.6 I figure the DOF is about 18mm. If the head was much past parallel the tip of the bill would be clearly soft.
As it is, there are no shadows from being off axis. What makes this work for me is the eye contact.
Rather than your subject using it's head to look back at you, it used it's eye.
Bottom line, in this case the head looks 8-12mm off parallel, however because of the eye contact and lack of shadows it works.
Could it be better, maybe. Stopping down (yes I noticed ISO 3200:)) or a slight turn (we are talking 8-12mm) towards the camera would have the subject's bill tip and tack sharp. I said maybe because I can't judge critical sharpness on this monitor - it maybe tack now.
James
Last edited by James Shadle; 08-27-2010 at 08:34 PM.
Dark vignetting is from the extension - MF is 20 feet without the extension - guessing I would have been about 10 feet away! Posted as from camera - I also thought it could stand some crop from the RHS - But kinda liked the vignetting (could easily replicate)Originally Posted by Arthur Morris
I would have preferred just a smidgen more towards me.
Thanks mate. We are pretty much on the same page. I do, however, prefer the ORIG COMP and would opt to lose the vignetting :) Keep up the great work on all counts.
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Hey Lance, the head angle looks ok to me. When it comes the comp, I'd actually like something between my dad's and your original post. If this were mine, I'd take some off the top and right, but I would *have* to add more to the left and bottom. I think the amount of space your subject takes up in the frame is right on (I wouldn't crop it any tighter). Love the background.
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