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    Willet in flight, the bird is flying away from the camera but there is something in the look back that I like, I can't tell what. Is this a keeper or not?

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    I would definitely keep it unless I had already nailed another shot of this guy. The HA is near perfect anyway. I would prefer a bit looser comp.

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    Definate keeper Arashbhai
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    Other then the critical focus is on tne near wing, that is a beauty.
    I realy like the pose, look, light and BG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gal Shon View Post
    Other then the critical focus is on tne near wing, that is a beauty.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gal Shon View Post
    I realy like the pose, look, light and BG
    Gal,
    The critical focus point is right on the head and not the wing, here is the 100% pixel crop from the head right out of DPP with no processing which actually came out tack sharp and it is the sharpest plain of focus in the image-maybe one of the reasons I like this photo :)

    This also shows the level of sharpness you can get with 500 f/4 with the 1.4X TC even wide open with the MK4 if you keep the shutter speed high.
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    Arash:

    A keeper I think. I do agree with Gal the the near wing appears sig. sharper than the head. Even before I read any comments, I thought the head a bit soft. Perhaps the effect is caused by the greater contrast on the wing vs. the head.
    Still, it is a neat full down pose, with nice look back.

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    Interesting light angle, look-back pose and BG. I agree that it is a bit tight and I might raise the midtones a bit. As for the question, it depends on the intended purpose. In bird ID books you often see similar poses as it shows the wing plumage well. In this one I'm not really crazy about the wing position of the far wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Stout View Post
    Arash:

    A keeper I think. I do agree with Gal the the near wing appears sig. sharper than the head. Even before I read any comments, I thought the head a bit soft. Perhaps the effect is caused by the greater contrast on the wing vs. the head.
    Still, it is a neat full down pose, with nice look back.

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    Randy it must be an illusion due to plumage because as I showed in the 100% crop the head is the sharpest part of the image and it doesn't get sharper than that. I have also applied uniform sharping so the wing should not end up sharper than the head :) to my eyes head is as sharp as the rest and if it looks otherwise there is not much I can do. I am more interested to know if this pose works or not. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axel Hildebrandt View Post
    Interesting light angle, look-back pose and BG. I agree that it is a bit tight and I might raise the midtones a bit. As for the question, it depends on the intended purpose. In bird ID books you often see similar poses as it shows the wing plumage well. In this one I'm not really crazy about the wing position of the far wing.

    Thanks Axel , that's exactly what I want to know, I want to see if the image works as presented or not, it would be nice to have at least 20 votes :) intended purpose is portfolio not avian ID book. Thanks
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    Arash, the HA works for me, and other than lightening the overall image, I would keep it.

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    Thanks guys, please click the vote button above so I can decide based on numbers at the end. appreciate all comments.
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    This one just doesn't do it for me Arash. I'd toss it.
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    Arash - I would love to have a shot like this, let alone one I was thinking of trashing. But as a portfolio specimen for you, unless you really need this species in it, I would say it is not quite up to your standards. The back wing position just sort of hangs out of the bird and I find the colors a bit contrasty. Small points. For me a definite keeper, but for you I think not.

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    Hi Arash,
    I'm a fan of your photography but this one doesn't work for me. I agree with the others that the head, esp the feathers behind the eye and in the neck appear to lack sharpness. I don't care for the position of the far wing, and even the background. But that's just my opinion, which while you did ask for, you are the ultimate judge. Even when everything is technically correct, there has to be an aesthetic appeal in the eye of the creator, so your opinion is really the only one that counts, poll or no.

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    If I were you, I would delete because I know that you have better and if you don't, you will. And, even if the head is sharp, the illusion that it isn't is present. Also, the bird is flying away from you. I do like the look-back head angle. I will vote to delete but with storage space so cheap these days, you could archive it also:p

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    Arash, I would be pleased to have this in my portfolio, at least until I replaced it with a better Willet in flight. But knowing how good the rest of your work is, for your portfolio I would trash (or archive) it. The head angle doesn't bother me, but the wing position does.

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    Thanks guys I think the far wing position was the reason I wasn't sure myself. thanks for reinforcing!
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    Not your best flight image by far. Keep or delete? That should be your decision. BTW, that's plane of focus :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Not your best flight image by far. Keep or delete? That should be your decision. BTW, that's plane of focus :)
    Agreed-deleted.

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    In my experience, the contrast in wingtips is a magnet for sharpening. Especially on Terns, it would make any face look soft. I usually mask the sharpening bait off the wing tips when they are high in contrast.
    Although not as good as your usual standards, I'd keep it until I fond a better one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabs Forns View Post
    In my experience, the contrast in wingtips is a magnet for sharpening. Especially on Terns, it would make any face look soft. I usually mask the sharpening bait off the wing tips when they are high in contrast.
    Although not as good as your usual standards, I'd keep it until I fond a better one.

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    I don't have a photo this, so if this where mine i would keep it until a better opportunity comes !

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