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    The Hood Mockingbirds at Gardner Bay on Hood Island are forever fighting. It is not uncommon to see a group of three young birds taking on a group of four in a brawl. This battle was photographed with the Canon 70-200mm f/4L IS lens with the 1.4X II TC and the EOS-1D MIV. Handheld at 280mm. Evaluative metering +2/3 stop: 1/2000 sec. at f/8.

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    WOW! super sharp, I found the exhibition very well managed, I like the action of birds, excellent detail in the plumage.

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    Sweet. I love this type of action/behavioral shot. Nice job on tough exposure with all that white in the BG.

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    Great action, exposure, and low angle. Some detail seems to have been lost here. Maybe the image was over 200kb?

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    Don't know. The optimized TIFF looks fine :)
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    Excellent interaction and lots of detail Like the eye contact between the two birds and fine wing spread !!! Vicious fight !!!!

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    Hey Artie,
    I think you attached a file that was slightly more than 200KB so it got compressed by the server and sharpness is gone. I think it will improve a lot if you repost and double check it is below 200KB before attaching.
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    Great behaviour captured, however, image is soft - I can't tell what is the reason.

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    Thanks all. I created a new JPEG action on my new computer and I am thinking that I need to up the sharpening a bit.... What method and settings are you all using for sharpening 800 jpegs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by arash_hazeghi View Post
    Hey Artie, I think you attached a file that was slightly more than 200KB so it got compressed by the server and sharpness is gone. I think it will improve a lot if you repost and double check it is below 200KB before attaching. Excellent interaction BTW.
    Hey Arash, My CS-5 JPEG action is set to create images that are optimized to less than 195kb but they occasionally come out slightly larger. I have no explanation for that. Before the site was upgraded, images were often kicked back for being too large. That no longer happens. Are you saying that v-Bulletin is compressing the JPEGs during or after they are uploaded?
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    Hi a nice image but it's not sharp ? as posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Tomkinson View Post
    Hi a nice image but it's not sharp ? as posted. Phil.
    Hi Phillip, Please do back and read the thread :)
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    In my new action I am using Smart Sharpen Amount 125%, Radius 0.3. This is a change from my old USM settings and nobody used to complain then :)
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    Artie, smart sharpen is the way to go - I adjust my % to suit, and use radius 0.4. When I download an image in error, that is larger than 200kb, its gives me a warning that the file size has exceeded 200kb. Great interaction BTW.

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    Hey Artie, I looked at the image and it was only 52kb, so it looks like vbulletin did compress it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Hi Phillip, Please do back and read the thread :)
    Hi I did read all the post that's that why I said as posted :).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Tomkinson View Post
    Hi I did read all the post that's that why I said as posted :). Phil.:D
    I was confused because several folks mentioned that the image was not sharp and I had given possible reasons for the unsharpness :) :confused::)
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    This thread may be of help:

    http://www.birdphotographers.net/for...521#post543521

    I'm sure the original image looks good Artie but this one has clearly been attacked by the famous vBulletin Image Mangler.

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    Great interaction and exposure. Like the comp and DOF. Good eye contact on the two. Well done on this !

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    The interaction does not look too friendly, great capture of this moment. The file is only 50 kB, I agree something must have gone wrong when uploading. The amount of sharpening you mentioned sounds about right. I also choose 'lens blur.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Hey Arash, My CS-5 JPEG action is set to create images that are optimized to less than 195kb but they occasionally come out slightly larger. I have no explanation for that. Before the site was upgraded, images were often kicked back for being too large. That no longer happens. Are you saying that v-Bulletin is compressing the JPEGs during or after they are uploaded?
    Yes it does Artie and it notoriously compresses the photos, sometimes the file size on disk is a bit larger than what PhotoShop predicts before saving, I am pretty sure that's what happened to your photos because it is only 50KB :)

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    same photo 201KB on disk.

    Details are gone!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidan Briggs View Post
    Hey Artie, I looked at the image and it was only 52kb, so it looks like vbulletin did compress it.
    Ah, now we are getting somewhere.... #1: My JPEG action includes a step in the Optimize to File Size Box as follows:

    Desired File Size: 195 K, Start with: Current Settings, Use Current Slice. When I opened the JPEG that I selected for the File Upload into Photoshop and hit Save for Web it showed 228 K on the frame edge.

    First question: What does the K stand for?

    Second question: If I have optimized the JPEG to 195K (or less), why did it come out of the CS-5 action at 228K?

    Third question: is it V-Bulletin that changed the size of the JPEG from 228 K to 52 kb?

    Fifth question: Is a K the same as a kb?

    Sixth question: does any of the above have anything to do with the browser that a person is using?

    Seventh question: why am I no longer getting warnings like the one that Stuart mentioned in Pane 14?

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    Here is the image saved to 194 k with save for web. The sharpening is unchanged... I am expecting that it will look a lot better than the image in Pane 1. Please let me know as my glasses need to be cleaned :)
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    The image in Pane 24 looks great. It is in fact 194 K. The image in Pane 1 is 47 point something K. Thanks Arash. We were cross posting and I did not see your second image until now :) I could still use answers to questions 1-7 above especially #s 2 and 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Ah, now we are getting somewhere.... #1: My JPEG action includes a step in the Optimize to File Size Box as follows:

    Desired File Size: 195 K, Start with: Current Settings, Use Current Slice. When I opened the JPEG that I selected for the File Upload into Photoshop and hit Save for Web it showed 228 K on the frame edge.

    First question: What does the K stand for?

    k - kilo; B - Byte

    Second question: If I have optimized the JPEG to 195K (or less), why did it come out of the CS-5 action at 228K?

    Should not happen, no clue.

    Third question: is it V-Bulletin that changed the size of the JPEG from 228 K to 52 kb?

    Yes.

    Fifth question: Is a K the same as a kb?

    See #1.

    Sixth question: does any of the above have anything to do with the browser that a person is using?

    I don't think so.

    Seventh question: why am I no longer getting warnings like the one that Stuart mentioned in Pane 14?

    Probably vBulletin, James might know.

    Any and all help is welcome as long as you keep it simple enough for me to understand :)
    Answers are underneath the questions.

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    First question: What does the K stand for?
    KB

    Second question: If I have optimized the JPEG to 195K (or less), why did it come out of the CS-5 action at 228K?
    not sure what happened, did you resize the photo somewhere in between? BTW the size displayed in the "save for web" window is just an estimate, the actual size might be different after compression, you can see the real size by right clicking on the file and looking at properties. that is the size on disk.

    Third question: is it V-Bulletin that changed the size of the JPEG from 228 K to 52 kb?
    it is the BPN hosting server, other bulletins do it too.

    Fifth question: Is a K the same as a kb?
    yup.

    Sixth question: does any of the above have anything to do with the browser that a person is using?
    nothing to do with browser.

    Seventh question: why am I no longer getting warnings like the one that Stuart mentioned in Pane 14?
    nobody is getting warnings anymore, the server will just compress it for you, it is nice to have a warning though. I think BPN code still needs some work, for example thumbnails for externally hosted images are not generated anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Here is the image saved to 194 k with save for web. The sharpening is unchanged... I am expecting that it will look a lot better than the image in Pane 1. Please let me know as my glasses need to be cleaned :)
    It does Artie. Super and as expected from maestro.

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    Here is another strange thing that I forgot to mention. If I have a JPEG that came out of the action slightly larger than 200kb and I bring it back and use Save for Web/Optimize to File Size (<195 kb) it always does it perfectly. Do the same thing as a step in the action and it screws up about half the time--always with highly detailed files. Go figger.
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    This is one of my favorites of your Galapagos images, The timing action and sharpness are all awesome.

    the same server issue got me, my 195+ kb image gets reduced down to 50-60 Kb. Best way to avoid it is to check the file size after you upload and of course preview will work to spot it also. The problem I had was once you upload and it gets compressed to 50-60 k, it will not load the same file again until I changed the file name.

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    Thanks Robert. I figured the renaming out on my own :):) I wish that we had the warning back :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Bowie View Post
    Artie, smart sharpen is the way to go - I adjust my % to suit, and use radius 0.4. When I download an image in error, that is larger than 200kb, its gives me a warning that the file size has exceeded 200kb. Great interaction BTW.
    Thanks Stuart, You seem to be the only one getting a warning since the switch to V-Bulletin 4.0.4 Lucky guy.
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    Hi Artie, I must say I have made sure in the last couple of postings that my file sizes are less than 200kb, so not sure if I uploaded one now, larger than 200kb, if I would still get the warning. Previously, I did get that warning. Glad you came right, and your final sorted image rocks!!!!

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    excellent interaction here Guruji and one great info thread
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    The repost looks great!!

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    Hi Artie the repost looks great nice and sharp.

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