Osprey over clouds

[Fabs Forns]

Not getting tired of the mighty Osprey yet and looking forward to seeing them again before the month is over.
Clouds can add a lot to the image if you happen upon them. They can totally change the picture and give interest to an otherwise sterile sky.

Model: Canon EOS-1D Mark IV
Lens (mm): 400
ISO: 500
Aperture: 5.6
Shutter: 1/2000

Comments appreciated.

[Kaustubh Deshpande]

Fabs, loved the diagonal comp and agree about the clouds. I am surprised that at f/5.6( and the osprey so close) that that much definition is retained in the clouds. Its working very well here.

[Manos Papadomanolakis]

killer eye contact,pose,bg,wing position!

[Doug Brown]

Like the eye contact and agree that the clouds add a lot to the image. I might darken the pupil a little.

[Kiran Poonacha]

Really loved your Osprey series Fabs, this is another beauty. I really am in love with that BG.. not to forget the pose of this beauty..

[Nancy A Elwood]

Fabs this one is a beauty!! Wonderful eye contact and BG!

[Dan Fleming]

You nailed this one Fabs. I like the catchlight in the eye. Did you use a flash or add it in photoshop? The clouds are a big plus as you pointed out. Excellent work.

[Alfred Forns]

Love seeing these guys with a pretty blue/cloud bg !! ... and like the top side view best !!! Can't wait for the next trip !!!

[Judy Lynn Malloch]

Love everything about this one Fabs and the sky really puts over the top. Awesome flight pose !!!

[Charles Glatzer]

Fabs,

Sweet image with great eye contact. Why ISO 500? The intermediate .3 steps with Canon are basically over/under exposed toward the next full stop and manipulated with in-camera processing.

Best,

Chas

[Alfred Forns]

Hi Chas I also use bump my ISO in .3 increments never in full stops. Do you see anything detrimental with this image? Is it over/under exposed? Has quality suffered?

... btw mine posted a few below was made at ISO 320? Is that wrong also?

[Charles Glatzer]

Al and Fabs,

I see no difference in quality. As mentioned the image looks wonderful. I only ask because many say that it is best to shoot at full stops due to the info mentioned above.

I often recommend keeping the ISO in thirds as it is easier to keep things consistent regarding overall exposure. Two clicks to the right for ISO, means two clicks to the right with either the thumb wheel or index finger wheel to maintain equivalent exposure. Using thirds all around keeps things simple and again I can see no deleterious effect in the outcome.

Warm Regards to you both,

Chas

[arash_hazeghi]

Very nice Fabs, agree with darkening the pupil a bit. looking forward to Ospreys!!!

[Fabs Forns]

Al and Fabs,

I see no difference in quality. As mentioned the image looks wonderful. I only ask because many say that it is best to shoot at full stops due to the info mentioned above.

I often recommend keeping the ISO in thirds as it is easier to keep things consistent regarding overall exposure. Two clicks to the right for ISO, means two clicks to the right with either the thumb wheel or index finger wheel to maintain equivalent exposure. Using thirds all around keeps things simple and again I can see no deleterious effect in the outcome.

Warm Regards to you both,

Chas

I am so relieved to hear from the Master himself that I was not doing anything outrageously amateurish by changing my settings in 1/3 stops.
It really brings my confidence back :)
I must have misunderstood your initial statement.

Enrollment must be low, huh?

[Charles Glatzer]

I am so relieved to hear from the Master himself that I was not doing anything outrageously amateurish by changing my settings in 1/3 stops.
It really brings my confidence back :)
I must have misunderstood your initial statement.

Enrollment must be low, huh?

Sorry for any confusion. Enrollment has never been better ;), but I cannot get the hamster to sleep in the wheel-lol
BTW- I think your tech skills are exemplary and your creative eye astounding.

Missed you guys while I was in FL.
St Aug AF was/is rock'in with nesting spoonies.

Chas

[Alfred Forns]

Chas This is the part I still can not understand? Is the camera doing some processing of its own that I'm unaware?

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Your quote
Canon are basically over/under exposed toward the next full stop and manipulated with in-camera processing.

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The part that confuses me is the in-camera processing? As far as I know once the aperture, shutter speed and ISO is set there is nothing going on with the camera.

[Kaustubh Deshpande]

Al, I think what Chas is saying is that the circuitry at the sensor level is such that it can handle only full stops. All other ISOs are manipulations just like we do on the exposure slider during RAW conversion. So when you set iso 500, camera is actually shooting at iso 400 and then overexposing by +1/3rd stop for you...before you even get the RAW file. Thats my understanding but I am no expert. So will be glad to be corrected if wrong. I've also read that when iso is set to 640, camera is shooting at 800 and then underexposing by 1/3rd stop. But I take everything I read on the internet with a pinch of salt. I dont know if Canon has come out and publshed this in a white paper anywhere.

[Alfred Forns]

Hi Kaustubh That would make sense but would affect ISO noise performance? If you are actually underexposing by 2/3 there would be a difference which would be noticeable. Unless is just semantics that would make zero difference one way or another. I don't know.

Wish Roger was around to give us a run down, I know he is busy doing some work for NASA regarding the oil spill !!

[Mike Tracy]

Hi Kaustubh That would make sense but would affect ISO noise performance? If you are actually underexposing by 2/3 there would be a difference which would be noticeable. Unless is just semantics that would make zero difference one way or another. I don't know.

Wish Roger was around to give us a run down, I know he is busy doing some work for NASA regarding the oil spill !!

Alfred, I seem to recall Roger ( or some other technical person ) addressing this topic some time ago. Maybe I / someone can dig it up. Then again I could just be imagining I read it here once before.

Fabs, nice image all the way around. Maybe a tad tight for my tastes but thats neither here nor there.

[Alfred Forns]

Will look for it Mike Thanks !! I'm sure he will have the answer !!

[arash_hazeghi]

Al will send you a PM to explain this...

[Daniel Cadieux]

Tremendous image Fabs. Very dynamic!

Here is the thread in question:

http://www.birdphotographers.net/for...ad.php?t=55929

Even then, I often use the "1/3" ISOs...no real-world difference to me (at least to my still-good eyes):)

[stuart wanuck]

love the image and clouds certainly add to the image

[Alfred Forns]

Thanks Daniel ... that is what I thought :)

[Michael Wolf]

A fantastic image made even sweeter with beautiful clouds in the background!

[Harold Davis]

topside view and clouds make it a double winner for me!! nice job!!

[Danny Laredo]

Nicely frame flight pose Fabs. Love the clouds.