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    She was with her two siblings enjoying Sambar Deer in lantana bushes. Her mother was sitting nearby them and we were the first gypsy to stop by. After some heavy breakfast , she came on road , sat for some time , licked herself and decided it was high time to sleep. She slept on road for few mins. Image was created few seconds before she rested her head on sand pillow:D. She is a seven month old cub of Mirchaini female and B2. At such a tender age she is so bold. What you need is to find her out and she will make sure you go home with tons of images. I will be chasing her till Nov 2011.

    7D , 300/f4, at F8 , 1/50 , ISO 400 , HH , FF

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    Harshad I love her relaxed pose yet with her head still raised and alert. I think that this image would look great cropped to a panorama format.

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    Harshad,

    This has to stop you are posting far too many superb Tiger images:D

    You know that I do not generally like "road" pictures, but I would take this anyday. Sharpness excellent, eyes beautiful and most importantly true colours.

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    Harshad this is so close to being one of your best images:p

    The detail, relaxed pose, setting, and colour is spot on (even for the 7D LOL) The only small change I might suggest is making the space at the foot (bottom) of the image, equal to the lhs, just lose a fraction off, and take out the red leaf in the BG. But guess that's me being picky :)

    Ken, the roads as I have said before, are the highways for both vehicle and Tiger, therefore, these images depict/reflect a very real, true and balanced image IMHO ;)

    Harshad your dedication, persistence, and love of this magnificent animal is well documented by your postings on this Forum in all manner of sections and a credit to you, however just a thought. It might be worth indicating the success rate, juxtopose to the time put in to get these shots. Both of us know, however for the viewer, it might indicate that the chance of spotting, photographing a Tiger is incredibly easy, think not.:D Therefore, perhaps a small note to expand on this may help, as I do feel you might be running 'full time' tours soon based on the feedback to your posts. :):) Better advise your beloved wife. ;)

    Once again, a lovely image, top marks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Kaluski View Post
    It might be worth indicating the success rate, juxtopose to the time put in to get these shots. Both of us know, however for the viewer, it might indicate that the chance of spotting, photographing a Tiger is incredibly easy, think not.:D Therefore, perhaps a small note to expand on this may help, as I do feel you might be running 'full time' tours soon based on the feedback to your posts. :):) Better advise your beloved wife. ;)

    Once again, a lovely image, top marks!

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    Thanks Steve for kind words ,
    39 rounds in 2010 means 9360 mins in park and cubs offered me in total 30-35 mins :) , But geting big tigers will not be that difficult. You have to know there habitat , habits and beahviour. Out of ten safaris ,I generaly spot fully grown tiger 7 times. Not bad at all , 7 times means I am talking about sightings with photographic opportunities :)

    here is one more link , I am sure you all will like it
    http://www.birdphotographers.net/for...800#post468800

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Kaluski View Post
    Harshad this is so close to being one of your best images:p


    Ken, the roads as I have said before, are the highways for both vehicle and Tiger, therefore, these images depict/reflect a very real, true and balanced image IMHO ;)
    Nevertheless I prefer not to include them if possible, they are not natural they are man made and mostly fairly recently as well. Animals especially predators use them a lot as the road usually have soft ground without thorns, roads are also very useful for tracking. Not that I would turn down a good image with a road in it.;)

    A question where did animals walk before there were roads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Watkins View Post

    A question where did animals walk before there were roads?
    They still walks in grass , lantana bushes and shrubs, Then we humans says, grass blade or shrub is big distraction ;) will post one beautiful image taken in woods soon



    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Watkins View Post
    Not that I would turn down a good image with a road in it
    You can't :)
    Last edited by Harshad Barve; 03-20-2010 at 11:59 AM.

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    LOL Ken :D

    Ken, this is a reserve, therefore unlike the wild there will be tracks and they will use them as described quite rightly in you reply above. Also being sandy their movement is silent, ideal for that 'ambush' which is the Tigers main choice of kill. I agree, having your subject in a man made environment is not ideal, but with Tigers in a reserve this is totally acceptable IMHO, although I have seen Lions, Leopards, Baboons etc using roads too in Kenya, as I am sure you have with your vast travels of SA. I guess at the end of the day, with more people wanting to visit, view, photograph animals, 'roads' will become more in view. Is this progress I wonder?

    Personally like you, I would not like to see 'roads' in shot, however, if it is natural or depicts the environment the subject is in, then fine.;)

    A question where did animals walk before there were roads?
    Good question, I don't know, but my reply would be, were they more successful & adept at killing?

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    Beautiful image Harshad. Love the pose, exposure and detail are spot on. I understand where Ken is coming from with the roads and it is a hard balance. I too would love to have this in my files. TFS
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    another lovely image Bhai...just love the head angle, catchlights and eye contact. road not a biggy for me as they are part of the wildlife experience in most places...I do however try to stay away from including the tar road of Kruger in my shots ;)
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    Nice image. I like the eye contact. Some more space at the left and bottom and less at the top would have been fine as well. Surprised by the difference in colour of the road at the top half of the image and the bottom half. May be it is only me who sees it. Signs of old age I guess.

    Like I Ken, I too avoid crossing the road images as that don't fit in with the concept of wilderness. I understand we wont be able to recreate those primordial wilderness ever again. Most of our wilderness areas have been cut off by the hand of man (read roads, train lines, dams, canals, agricultural land etc). All of us yearn to see and feel those wilderness again. It is true, that 50 vehicles crowding around a tiger is far removed from that sense of wilderness. Still, we yearn to see and document the true behaviour. Unfortunately, not all photographers feel it that way. Hence, they whistle or make noise to get that head turn, and to make the tiger snarl, forgetting that it is not its natural behaviour.

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    For someone who asked "where animals walked before there were roads". I would say there always were pathways in the Indian forests. Gond and Baiga tribes have lived in that region for hundreds if not thousands of years, before your canon/nikon equipment existed. Humans and Tigers lived together (some do even today). Most of the villages inside Tiger reserves have been moved out/relocated from the Indian national parks/Tiger reserves.
    Before they were national parks, these were the hunting grounds of the Kings and Princes of Indian territories. You think they walked for the bloodsport? No, they rode elephants or horses/chariots with a huge entourage and that means "roads/pathways/walkways" get created. That red sandy soil you see in the image is a part and parcel of the natural habitat. No one came and dumped that inside the national parks to create "roads", they probably enhanced them once the tourists started riding jeeps to see tigers.
    Do remember we are talking about a country which has a documented history of at least 5000+ years....humans didn't land here 200 or 300 years ago by ships and create roads for animals.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiga_%28tribe%29
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondi_people
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_India

    Anyway, it's a pointless question to ask. I would rather discuss more about the merits/ bad habits of cloning in photography (post processing) than "roads" in some animal's habitat.

    Sabyasachi, it appears that you are almost accusing someone of distracting/disturbing the animal for getting that head turn in the image. Hmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiran Khanzode View Post

    Sabyasachi, it appears that you are almost accusing someone of distracting/disturbing the animal for getting that head turn in the image. Hmm...
    + 1 here UNFORTUNATELY

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    For clarity my reply in blue colour.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiran Khanzode View Post
    For someone who asked "where animals walked before there were roads". I would say there always were pathways in the Indian forests.
    Sabyasachi: comparision is as insignificant as a drop vis a vis an ocean of water.

    Kiran Khanzode: Gond and Baiga tribes have lived in that region for hundreds if not thousands of years,

    Sabyasachi: The small settlements in the forests in the past vis-à-vis the billions of homo sapiens in the present day, with their massive ecological footprints. I am not sure how people can’t see the difference.

    before your canon/nikon equipment existed.

    Sabyasachi: Completely irrelevant point. Here your tone is sarcastic and insulting.

    Kiran Khanzode: Humans and Tigers lived together (some do even today).

    Sabyasachi: Not sure what you mean by together. You mean as pets?
    Do you mean existence of human settlements in the same forest? Tiger needs inviolate spaces. The tigress can’t and won’t deliver its cubs in an area disturbed by humans. At birth, cubs can’t see and are vulnerable. If the tigress has gone far away insearch of food, then she can’t respond when there is a threat. If the mother is nearby, she can try to ward off the threat or shift the cubs to a safer place. Hence the need for inviolate spaces.


    Kiran Khanzode: Most of the villages inside Tiger reserves have been moved out/relocated from the Indian national parks/Tiger reserves.
    Sabyasachi: Really? Can you cite your source please? For your information, the extremely slow process of relocation is often used by the anti-conservationist lobby to argue that inviolate spaces can never be created and hence to drop the idea.


    Kiran Khanzode: Before they were national parks, these were the hunting grounds of the Kings and Princes of Indian territories. You think they walked for the bloodsport? No, they rode elephants or horses/chariots with a huge entourage and that means "roads/pathways/walkways" get created. That red sandy soil you see in the image is a part and parcel of the natural habitat. No one came and dumped that inside the national parks to create "roads", they probably enhanced them once the tourists started riding jeeps to see tigers.

    Sabyasachi:…..and obliterated the moment it is unused. Since you have visited Bandhavgarh, you may have known that it was the seat of the erstwhile rulers of Rewa. After they moved themselves to Rewa, Bandhavgarh was taken over by the forests.


    Kiran Khanzode:Do remember we are talking about a country which has a documented history of at least 5000+ years....humans didn't land here 200 or 300 years ago by ships and create roads for animals.

    Sabyasachi: Absolutely. I am an Indian and have read and stayed in India - unlike many others - barring for business travel and pleasure trips abroad. I don't need to be reminded of the history of my country by some one else.

    Kiran Khanzode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiga_%28tribe%29
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondi_people
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_India

    Sabyasachi: Thanks for these links. They are completely irrelevant to the discussion. It seems you are desperately trying to confuse the issue.

    Anyway, it's a pointless question to ask.
    Sabyasachi: Absolutely. If someone reads my previous comment, s/he will understand that this discussion is absolutely needless.

    Kiran Khanzode:I would rather discuss more about the merits/ bad habits of cloning in photography (post processing) than "roads" in some animal's habitat.

    Sabyasachi: I don't clone. However, it is a different discussion altogether. Talking about it is just confuse the issue if any.

    Kiran Khanzode:Sabyasachi, it appears that you are almost accusing someone of distracting/disturbing the animal for getting that head turn in the image. Hmm...
    Sabyasachi: Can you clarify what you mean by “in the image”. Are you suggesting that I am saying Harshad or someone has distracted the cub in this case? My statement was meant for lot of photographers who try to get the head turn or snarl disregarding the welfare of the subject.

    Sabyasachi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harshad Barve View Post
    + 1 here UNFORTUNATELY
    Harshad,
    Can you elaborate the reason for your comment?

    Kiran said: "Sabyasachi, it appears that you are almost accusing someone of distracting/disturbing the animal for getting that head turn in the image. Hmm..."

    He didn't mention that the someone in his comment was you. So why did you jump to such a conclusion?

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    Oh My Dear Sabyasachi,

    ***Those comments from me were not meant for you ***. Did you ask a question "where did animals walk before there were roads?". My answers are very relevant and very much on topic.

    As for what is irrelevant to this image/thread or questions asked...is this text:

    --start--
    All of us yearn to see and feel those wilderness again. It is true, that 50 vehicles crowding around a tiger is far removed from that sense of wilderness. Still, we yearn to see and document the true behaviour. Unfortunately, not all photographers feel it that way. Hence, they whistle or make noise to get that head turn, and to make the tiger snarl, forgetting that it is not its natural behaviour.

    --end

    Anyway, I did spend 2 minutes checking your response and upon a quick read...it's actually your replies that look pretty acerbic, jealous and bitter to me. Only answer the question I asked you which is "Are you accusing Harshad of disturbing the animal in this frame" ?
    Last edited by Kiran Khanzode; 03-20-2010 at 02:01 PM.

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    This thread is going in ways I'm uncomfortable.

    I understand your points Kiran but I don't see how you come up with "Sabyasachi, it appears that you are almost accusing someone of distracting/disturbing the animal for getting that head turn in the image. Hmm... "

    The Hmm at the end is disturbing and I don't see how he accused anyone of anything, just mentioned that some people have/are making sounds to attract the tiger for a better image and have gone to the extent of making them growl. From there to your statement is a long reach.

    Lets all comment on images rather than engage in verbal disputes, cooperation is appreciated !!!! No more follow ups on this one unless you want to refer to the image.

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    This is a lovely image Harshad,

    I really like the catchlights in the eyes. I would also try a pano crop.

    Excellent.

    tfs

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    Harshadbhai, just love the relaxed pose, and the detail and colours on the head are simply outstanding.

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    Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. The image of the tiger is so arresting that I never noticed the red leaf or any reason for changing the crop. The eyes are riveting. Extremely well done in all respect. I would keep it as is.

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