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    Default A few thing to consider for our Asian theme week

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    This is a capture of my favorite painting attempt to date. "Shrimp" on raw rice paper and then mounted. This painting took 50 attempts to get all of the elements composed and painted acceptably. Each attempt is like a performance and takes only about 15 minutes. Our digital art is way easier!!

    WOW! Some great pieces so far this week! I have noticed a few re-occuring issues in the posts that I thought would be worth addressing for our little competition though. Below -

    1. Chop placement. This is a biggie! What I do with my painting attempts and my photos also, is to create the piece, step back, look it over and pick a spot that helps balance the composition out. With my (amateur) paintings, I have little postage stamp size copies of my chops and I place them on the painting and move them around till I come up with a balanced and pleasing position. Then I stamp at that spot (no cloning, it's a one time thing and has to be right!!). If you can think ahead and are really good, you can create the piece to fit your chop/calligraphy! With our digital images, we can create a blank layer (PS) and place the chop or calligraphy on it, then move it all around with the move tool, COOL!

    BTW, the chop can be your name, a poem, an inspiration or a message. Please make sure that it is appropriate!

    2. Chop color. The color is symbolic and for our purpose here, should always be red, similar to crimson red (oil and watercolor paint name). It's fun to try other colors but the danger (IMO) is that different colors symbolize different things, I don't know what the meanings are, but an example - blue, I am told is used for funerals!

    3. Calligraphy - color, placement and meanings. I'm not sure about this one but virtually all the calligraphy I can remember seeing on Asian art is BLACK! If your piece is lacking in blacks, (See below about blacks) this is a nice way to add it. Placement is the same as for the chop, it's a part of the composition and should be considered. And Please, you are totally responsible for what the calligraphy reads! Make sure that the message is appropriate! I don't read or speak any Asian language so I don't use any without my instructors ok (same for chops).

    Often the calligraphy and the chop are lined up vertically.

    4. Empty or negative spaces. This, in Chinese art at least, is for the viewers mind to wander in and wonder about. I can't say much else about this, but it is a very important element, I am taught!

    5. Blacks! Blacks in the image should be BLACK! We don't need a bunch of black, but what is there should be saturated. This really seems to make the piece "pop".

    6. Frames, mats and fillets. This is an easy one, just use the same rules that you would use for photos or western art. Don't have these things detract from the art. One difference with Asian art that I see is with the scroll mounted pieces, no frame but the mat area is usually silk with or without a thin fillet (unually black) around the inner edge.

    Finally I will add that I am just a student of this art form, so if anyone wants to add of delete from this, please do.

    AND REMEMBER, THIS IS OOTB!!!:D so anything goes! Open my eyes!

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    Dan, First of all your "Shrimp Art" is fan-tas-tic!!!:) I love it. The subtle color tones look so nice w/ the punch of black.
    Thankyou for taking the time to comment and give guidance during this week as the judge. It means alot to us all to be able to learn from your experiences. I thought the chop was placed where the sig. was-so I did learn something here and will hope to correctly place it in my next post.:)

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    What a fantastic shrimp painting! Thanks for sharing, Dan.

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    What an incredible image and thank you so much for the detailed explanation of what we're trying to do here. I had no idea it was so complicated! Denise, perhaps we should see if we could get this moved to the tutorial section after the week is over - this information is really a wonderful way for others to get their feet wet in the asian art area.

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    Great idea Jules. I think alot of people would be interested in learning this.:)

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    Dan, this is beautiful. I just love it. Every brush stroke looks beautiful, and the comp is really nice. Even the paper complements the tones. Thanks for the primer. How long have you been studying?

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    thanks so much for sharing this info. Doug as well as your beautiful painting- absolutely beautiful! I've long been an admirer of this style, and purchased a Chinese brush painting kit last year (now I just need to clear a work space to use it). I may be contacting you in the future for sources on paper/watercolors, etc if that's ok. (Since that topic isn't about photography, will add more about that later, I really want to explore this technique, especially since I'm not able to get out with my gear much and have always had need to create) I love how this style includes so many beautiful elements of nature in such a simple fashion.. kind of like visual haiku :)
    again, thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge on this subject, it's appreciated~

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    Dan, what an amazing image:) The painting is beautiful and all the information is so interesting. I have an
    image I was working on that looks like a woodcut and is all brown and black - do I still use a red chop? It seems
    like black would look better but I have no idea what black connotes. I really need to do some reading up on
    oriental art:o
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackie Schuknecht View Post
    Dan, this is beautiful. I just love it. Every brush stroke looks beautiful, and the comp is really nice. Even the paper complements the tones. Thanks for the primer. How long have you been studying?
    Thanks to all, I'm glad that you are enjoying the painting and the info.

    Jackie, I have been studying Chinese brush painting for about 8 years now. I love it!

    If anyone is interested in learning this art, I would suggest finding an instructor. I have many books on the subject but none are as informative as seeing it done and being guided by a good instructor! Sorry, but I can't really help with the search for an instructor. The next best thing that I can offer is to google "oriental art supply" and the fellow running things there is pretty good and sells videos, etc.

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    Beautiful Dan! Your painting is amazing!!
    "It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera... they are made with the eye, heart, and head." - Henri Cartier Bresson

    Please visit me on the web at http://kerryperkinsphotography.com


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    thanks for the suggestions Dan- I wish I could meet w/an instructor, but I'm pretty much housebound for the most part with a rare disease and it's difficult for me to get out and about very well. That's the main reason I'm taking up painting again, to keep myself occupied while fending off cabin fever. I'll do a search on the name you provided :)

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    Dan, Love the painting and really appreciate the information.

    Question for you...

    I read that there are two types of chops, one that has the characters raised and the background is carved out and the other has the characters carved out and the background is raised. One is considered yin and the other yang. Does this mean that men should use one type of sig chop (where the characters are red and background is clear) and women should use the other (red background with clear characters)? I never could find that they were gender specific, but if the two types are considered yin and yang, then it would seem to be a possibility.

    If so, I used the wrong chop. :eek: :D

    Patti

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti Edens View Post
    Dan, Love the painting and really appreciate the information.

    Question for you...

    I read that there are two types of chops, one that has the characters raised and the background is carved out and the other has the characters carved out and the background is raised. One is considered yin and the other yang. Does this mean that men should use one type of sig chop (where the characters are red and background is clear) and women should use the other (red background with clear characters)? I never could find that they were gender specific, but if the two types are considered yin and yang, then it would seem to be a possibility.

    If so, I used the wrong chop. :eek: :D

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    Patti, To my knowledge, the red letter/white letter chops are not gender specific. I have and use both. The white letter chops are usually easier to find and cheaper because they are much easier to carve. I bought one in the Shanghai airport for 20 bucks and the carver made it in about 10 minutes with a Dremel Tool!

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    Sweet, Dan this one should be printed!

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    Shrimp-tastic Dan..thanks for info..image rocks

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