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    Altimira Oriole

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    D3, 600, ISO 800, f8, 1/1250, -0.3EV.

    I managed to get a few species on this set-up, but this was my target bird.
    Not an easy Oriole to get a posed shot of, so I was happy when this all came together.
    Bird was baited with bananas.

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    /Alan:

    Striking fellow, well posed and exposed. I might consider a horizontal variant because he feels a bit cramped front and back to me.

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    A stunning oriole. Love the pose and the clean BG. Head angle perfect.

    There are some reds and yellows tosted. Probably due to compression on jpg.

    Still an image I would love to have in my files.

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    Looks like those reds and yellows are hard to render properly.

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    Nice image of a pretty bird. I've never seen one, but certainly see a resemblence to the Baltimore oriole. I know your camera handles an ISO of 800, from previous posts you have written, quite well, without noise, but were you shooting in low light? Or just really wanting that higher shutter speed, and if so, why? If your bird is targeted for this set-up perch, it is likely going to be stationary for a moment, so i'm just wondering if you always aim for a certain shutter speed in these set-ups? Were these all manuel settings? Hopefully some of these questions will be answered in your new CD book. Thanks, I hope you don't mind the questions.

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    wow...what a beautiful species...thank you so much for sharing it... i loved the perch, pose and BG here... i don't mind the rich colors honestly...

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    Color is out of this world. Maybe a bit to saturated or is this the real color. A stunning image all around. Always nice when your target species gives you an op.

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    Beautiful bird, and a beautiful setup! I like it very much.You are very fortunate to get a relative low angle on the Oriole! In Romania (I think, all over Europe) the Orioles are yellow with black, and I can't figure out how to get them closer to the ground, because they are very, very shy, and prefer always the top of the highest tree around...I hope to find an answer in your upcoming book...:)

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    Nice Alan, I would love to have this image. I am not sure you have toasted reds or not, but I do have a problem blowing out-of-gamut reds when converting from 16bit Prophoto to 8bit sRGB. I usually have to de-sat the reds to get a good conversion. A shame we need to post in a crippled color space.

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    Alan...lots of things to like here as everyone has said. Sharpness, BG, perch, head angle...everything great as usual.

    I know the perches are very important in your shots, but in this case, I think that lands the bird a little too close to the top for my taste. I think I might have said in another image of yours as well. But that just be my personal preference. You are probably deliberately doing it and it might be right. Just wanted to share an honest opinion. Dont take it the wrong way. Huuuuuge huuuge fan of your photos.

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    Killer COMP and pose as expected. And a dead perfect head angle.

    Good try on the repost JC but as you suspected, it is not good :)

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    Most of the problems with the oranges were caused by over-stauration of the red and yellows. As described in several ER threads, I added blue to the yellows and cyan to the reds and then desaturated the reds. (Should have desaturated the yellows a bit as well).

    IAC, about 97% of the over-exposure disappeared.

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    Very well handeled Arthur.

    Now the reds and yellows look much better. I forgot to add cyan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenda Simmons View Post
    Nice image of a pretty bird. I've never seen one, but certainly see a resemblence to the Baltimore oriole. I know your camera handles an ISO of 800, from previous posts you have written, quite well, without noise, but were you shooting in low light? Or just really wanting that higher shutter speed, and if so, why? If your bird is targeted for this set-up perch, it is likely going to be stationary for a moment, so i'm just wondering if you always aim for a certain shutter speed in these set-ups? Were these all manuel settings? Hopefully some of these questions will be answered in your new CD book. Thanks, I hope you don't mind the questions.
    Good question Glenda, I also had a lower setup where Kiskadees were coming in, and every so often I just opened up (f4) and tried for flight shots. Keeping the ISO on 800 enabled me to get the super fast shutter speeds I wanted. ISO 800 on a D3 is very very clean, so much so that I have no problem leaving on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaustubh Deshpande View Post
    Alan...lots of things to like here as everyone has said. Sharpness, BG, perch, head angle...everything great as usual.

    I know the perches are very important in your shots, but in this case, I think that lands the bird a little too close to the top for my taste. I think I might have said in another image of yours as well. But that just be my personal preference. You are probably deliberately doing it and it might be right. Just wanted to share an honest opinion. Dont take it the wrong way. Huuuuuge huuuge fan of your photos.

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    Hey Kaustubh, I agree with you. The set up was working for Kiskadees (a smaller bird) when the Oriole flew in. A little tight as you say.

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    Nicely nailed on the exposure re-do from Artie, and thanks to those who also worked on it.

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    Thanks, Alan for answering that question. I assumed you had a reason for it, or you would not be in the place you are today with your excellant photography. Your explanation makes perfect sense, and I'm sure answered Kaustubh's question, as well.

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    One beautiful image and lot of learning inputs for me
    Thanks a ton for sharing and TFS Guruji for repost

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    Excellent work Alan. I can't wait to get your CD in December mate. A lot of reading to be had for sure. :)

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    Classy one, Alan. Would be interesting to see a horizontal crop on this one .

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    Artie:

    When I first looked at this image, I did think the reds were hot, but upon opening in ACR, the brightest pixels in the orange areas were 237 or so, so assumed it was OK. After looking at your photoshop screen capture of levels, I opened the image in photoshop, and I see the same spike against the right side, esp. in the red channel.

    Is it common for ACR to show a different histogram than PS itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Stout View Post
    Artie:

    When I first looked at this image, I did think the reds were hot, but upon opening in ACR, the brightest pixels in the orange areas were 237 or so, so assumed it was OK. After looking at your photoshop screen capture of levels, I opened the image in photoshop, and I see the same spike against the right side, esp. in the red channel. Is it common for ACR to show a different histogram than PS itself? Randy
    Don't know. The histogram is seen in Photoshop not in ACR. To my eye, the orange in the original post is oversaturated without detail so I expected clipping. I rarely look at the RGB #s

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    I have started collecting dead wood Alan Bhai...:D

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