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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Why? Because it does not work. It aquires focus only with great difficulty and when it does acquire, the focus is not accurate. And against a background other than sky, it is even worse.

    The above only applies to the 1D MIII with flying birds.
    Could it be you had one of the early MkIII's with known problems with AIServo?

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    I must say that I should probably have never started reading this thread as I am now not a great deal more enlightened and in fact a great deal more confused.

    Jay you must have a great brain to be able to put such effort into learning the art of photography to the sky high limits you seem to aim for from such a recent start, I hope God grants you the time to succeed in your quest.

    I am not silly enough to think for one minute that I will be on this Earth for long enough to even grovel at the feet of some of the great photographers here but I am happy enough to grab and devour some of the tidbits that fall to the ground when they feast.

    I live in awe of the quality that comes from the cameras of some of the great but always modest Avian greats here and often wish I could turn back time and return to the days when I was fit enough to do all the field trips and speak in person to these folk with my cameras in my hand and watch them in action and see their processes first hand, that is not to be so I will make the best by acquiring what PERTINENT knowledge I can gain here without taxing my aging brain with info which I could not do justice with.

    What I have learned here has helped me enormously (though hanging off a cliff to get Gannet photos whilst being at the same level or slightly above my subject (Artie's advice):) cost me three months in hospital) but I still learn from every visit here and my enjoyment of my hobby increases daily.

    This thread seems to be picking through the bare bones of a subject that has confused me by its complexity and taught me naught that I needed to know.

    As has been suggested to me that has made so much sense is to take as many photos as possible, be happy to dispose of the 90% that do not meet your expectations post some of the remaining 10% and expect many flaws to be discovered and learn from every critique you get and just be happy when the great shots come along.

    I simply love and learn what I can from these great and generous folk here who also have the ability to assess the level of the ability of those of us that will never be a danger to Artie's reputation and advise accordingly.

    Thank you all for so much but I will now restrict myself to less taxing threads.

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    Jay you must have a great brain to be able to put such effort into learning the art of photography to the sky high limits you seem to aim for from such a recent start, I hope God grants you the time to succeed in your quest.
    Hi Mate, I always wonder why someone posts in a thread that has made them unhappy?

    To answer your question, if I had a greater brain perhaps I would not have to ask so many questions. :D

    I am retired and have so much free time that I have decided to become a creator of digital art ;); images that have been either insignificantly or significantly PP.

    Additionally, my brother is a professional photographer (he was a scientist in another life), and he has created big shoes for me to try to sorta fill.

    Frankly, I am approaching learning photography the same way I approached representing a client when I was a trial attorney in my former life: do it right; do it once. I ask all of the questions I think of so that I can avoid at least a few of the mistakes I would have made if I didn't ask all of the questions.

    Since returning from a trip overseas in October, for the past few months leading up to a knee surgery four weeks ago I was pretty sedentary; thus I have had lots of time to study photography and play in cyberspace. In fact, you could say it has become my new avocation; studying to become a decent photographer. This month I start with Photoshop.

    I live in awe of the quality that comes from the cameras of some of the great but always modest Avian greats here and often wish I could turn back time and return to the days when I was fit enough to do all the field trips and speak in person to these folk with my cameras in my hand and watch them in action and see their processes first hand, that is not to be so I will make the best by acquiring what PERTINENT knowledge I can gain here without taxing my aging brain with info which I could not do justice with.
    Chris, you seem very upset that so many members participated in this discussion pertaining to the difference between using a 40D (the camera I currently have) and the 1D3 (the camera I am buying after a lot of research both here and on other Forums. The implication of what you said that I quoted is that you do not feel that that this discussion has provided you with any PERTINENT knowledge. OK. For me and probably many others it was very PERTINENT and has helped my in my decision making process.

    three months in hospital
    Ouch!! Hope you are healing well; pain sucks! I can't wait for mine from the surgery to disappear.

    take as many photos as possible, be happy to dispose of the 90% that do not meet your expectations post some of the remaining 10% and expect many flaws to be discovered and learn from every critique you get and just be happy when the great shots come along.

    I simply love and learn what I can from these great and generous folk here who also have the ability to assess the level of the ability of those of us that will never be a danger to Artie's reputation and advise accordingly.
    Me too! :D

    Cheers, Mate

    PS: I just had the pleasure of looking at your flying mousetrap, and more importantly learned that you are shooting with a EOS 1-D MKIII. All this thread is about is someone who doesn't have a 1D3 learning what you obviously already know - that it is the camera I should buy!
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    Chris, you seem very upset that so many members participated in this discussion pertaining to the difference between using a 40D (the camera I currently have) and the 1D3 (the camera I am buying after a lot of research both here and on other Forums. The implication of what you said that I quoted is that you do not feel that that this discussion has provided you with any PERTINENT knowledge. OK. For me and probably many others it was very PERTINENT and has helped my in my decision making process.

    Jay if you knew me you would understand that it takes quite a bit to upset me about anything and PERTINENT was simply referring to me and certainly not intended as a reference to others here.:)

    Regarding the 40D, I own 2 30D's bought a 40D and 50D and sold both of them and had my 30D's refurbished bought 2 1D MKIII’ s have a 1Ds MKIII on order.

    In my opinion though more industrial, my 30Ds out performed the 40D and 50D which I also found less reliable and less robust.

    I too have a legal background through on the Prosecutorial side of the profession and am also “semi” retired with much time on my hands and carry a myriad of injuries from my hobby of motorcycle racing and though aligned with the odd walking aid, I clamber over cliffs and rocks, climb hills and abseil when I need to so don’t’ let your knee get you down.


    I am no technician but enjoy learning from folks with extraordinary talents such as those we find here but I do know my limitations and tend to work within them.

    Take care and get yourself a MKIII, I sincerely doubt that you will regret it.

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    I too have a legal background through on the Prosecutorial side of the profession and am also “semi” retired with much time on my hands and carry a myriad of injuries from my hobby of motorcycle racing and though aligned with the odd walking aid, I clamber over cliffs and rocks, climb hills and abseil when I need to so don’t’ let your knee get you down.
    What a small world - I started my legal career as a Deputy District Attorney in the Los Angeles County prosecutor's office.

    Mate, thanks regarding my knee - it's a bi.ch!

    Our base is in Melbourne; don't know when we will return as we are nomads living in a box on wheels. When we do I will let you know and give you a jingle.

    I will have the 1DIII in a couple of weeks; you do go through lots of cameras. Why so many 1DIIIs and now a 1DsIII?

    Cheers, Jay

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    Hi Chris,

    #1: Being upset is a choice. (See www.thework.com).

    #2: Your statement "I must say that I should probably have never started reading this thread as I am now not a great deal more enlightened and in fact a great deal more confused." makes no sense at all to me. While I have not gone back and read the entire thread I do know that there is a wealth of information there...

    #3: What I have learned here has helped me enormously (though hanging off a cliff to get Gannet photos whilst being at the same level or slightly above my subject (Artie's advice)referrelative="t" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f"> :) cost me three months in hospital) but I still learn from every visit here and my enjoyment of my hobby increases daily.

    #4: What's with the gibberish code above?

    #5: When I offer advice I always assume that folks have enough common sense as not to put themselves at risk. Again, climbing out on a cliff is a choice. Once you make that choice and fall off the cliff you need to learn to love what is....
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    When I offer advice I always assume that folks have enough common sense as not to put themselves at risk. Again, climbing out on a cliff is a choice. Once you make that choice and fall off the cliff you need to learn to love what is....
    Humor on the BPN - :D:D - Thanks, Artie!

    Cheers, Mate

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    Hi Chris,

    #1: Being upset is a choice. (See www.thework.com).

    #2: Your statement "I must say that I should probably have never started reading this thread as I am now not a great deal more enlightened and in fact a great deal more confused." makes no sense at all to me. While I have not gone back and read the entire thread I do know that there is a wealth of information there...

    #3: What I have learned here has helped me enormously (though hanging off a cliff to get Gannet photos whilst being at the same level or slightly above my subject (Artie's advice)referrelative="t" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f"> :path o:extrusionok="f" gradientshapeok="t" o:connecttype="rect"/> :) cost me three months in hospital) but I still learn from every visit here and my enjoyment of my hobby increases daily.

    #4: What's with the gibberish code above?

    #5: When I offer advice I always assume that folks have enough common sense as not to put themselves at risk. Again, climbing out on a cliff is a choice. Once you make that choice and fall off the cliff you need to learn to love what is....

    Artie, I don't get upset, I have learned that life is far too short for that and I have been there and done that.

    As regards the information, it was NOT my intention to rubbish the thread but my ability to comprehend it as I wished I could, my problem, not those who posted on it, which I thought I had made clear.

    Hanging off a cliff was MY decision NOT yours and MY responsibility NOT yours and my time recovering in hospital gave me ample time to read up on Tim Grey, Arthur Morris et al and was worth every minute of it and since it is MY life I will conduct it as I see fit.

    As regards the gibberish code, I have no idea it is probabably the result of the many things that still bemuse me about computers.

    Your advice about photography is invaluable and I appreciate all of it but my life, risks have always been my responsibility and will remain so.

    Thank you for all your help.
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    From Jay.

    What a small world - I started my legal career as a Deputy District Attorney in the Los Angeles County prosecutor's office.

    Mate, thanks regarding my knee - it's a bi.ch!

    Our base is in Melbourne; don't know when we will return as we are nomads living in a box on wheels. When we do I will let you know and give you a jingle.

    I will have the 1DIII in a couple of weeks; you do go through lots of cameras. Why so many 1DIIIs and now a 1DsIII?

    Cheers, Jay
    Great to se that you at least moved over from the dark side of the Law.

    Look after your knee, I have shattered both legs and they are Titanium reinforced but in all fairness knees are the pits so use whatever supports you need to avoid anoying it.

    Why the cameras, simple, I can afford them and my MC injuries have saved me a fortune on other sports (Hang Gliding, Gliding, Sky Diving, Scuba Diving) so since I intend to leave my sons nothing but memories I am spending what I have whilst I can, plus I have the world's best and most forgiving wife of some 30 years.

    Look after yourself and best of luck with the MKIII, it is a great camera with a VERY steep learning curve.

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    I use the "trip rule." (Actually started it with my sons when they were little and we were visiting Canyonlands National Park.)

    The trip rule is simply: if you are so close to the edge that if you trip you'll go over the edge, you are too close. To get close to the edge, get down low. (Of course that has other problems in Florida if you are on the edge of water--alligators).

    Corollary: When standing near the edge of a cliff, and you drop something or the wind blows off your hat: freeze! Don't lung at it to grab it, or the consequences can be far greater than the lost item, even if its an expensive camera.

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    Chris, Thanks for the clarifications.
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    Chris, Thanks for the clarifications.
    You are welcome Artie and by my calculations please do not pass on for about another 40 or so years as I may well need at least that time to catch up (or maybe just get within a bulls roar) of your ability.

    PS. Of course I will need reincarnation in some vaguely human form to take advantage of that.

    Cheers mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonard Malkin View Post
    Could it be you had one of the early MkIII's with known problems with AIServo?
    Sorry that I almost missed this Leonard. No, I am working with two of the latest yellow dot versions. First day at Roma, TX I tried 45 points on the songbirds and the camera seemed to be focusing well, but I made very few really sharp images. Next day I switched to the central sensor and most image were sharp.
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