Assignment Landscape Peggy's Cove
Well looking at Roman Kurywczak's Peggy's Cove i was inspired to dig out a Capture from my visit to Nova Scotia last September. The sky did not have any clouds in it so i added some for effect :)
Nikon D50 with a Nikon 17-55mm kit lens ( My D80 Batteries were dead lol )
Iso 200
F/9
1/100sec
28mm
that's OK, glenn. that D50 is a solid camera!! the clouds look like they came from a b&w. i like them, just wished they had a little color in them to match the scene. the composition looks good to me and the foreground rocks look great. the horizon line needs a little CCW rotation. nice image!
I love the image, but something isn't kosher in the geometry. The lighthouse is vertical, or close enough to it as makes no never mind. But the horizon of the ocean is tilted CCW. If you rotate the image CW to correct the horizon, the lighthouse will be tilted.
I'm wondering whether in replacing the sky, you might have masked the horizon a little off plumb?
Harold it never dawned on me to color the clouds ,they are B&W ill have to remember that.
David i can see what you mean but it has to be something else like the size of the waves that day or some lens thing that i don't understand as i have looked at the unedited original and it shows the same effect . I have also uploaded the original . Only thing i have done to it was resized for web. On second taught it may be fog just maybe.
Very puzzling. One way to correct it is to level the edge of the sky mask along that line on the horizon and cover the "tilted" part with whatever you use to fill for the sky. I used color in this case... I really like the color and texture of the rocks. Beautiful spot.Originally Posted by Glenn Romain
Repost
Hi Glen...I think you have presented a very good composition. I was wondering if the image would be stronger presented in B&W.Curious to know what you think. I'm also puzzled why the horizon is tilting CCW and the lighthouse is straight.
Great thread !!!
Interesting Both B&W and color are very strong images I think the foreground really sets it up !!!
I go for the monochrome rendition Dave...nicely done...:cool:
I like davids repost with the blue sky and the clouds - all are good IMHO - I reallly like the contrasr between the smooth patterend rocks in the foreground and the more coarsley patterned rocks in the background.
Well done -- I like it :)
Thanks for all the variations guys ,im still puzzled about the tilt in the ocean but i believe its due to fog but then again i could be wrong :)
hey glenn. you'll have to excuse my simplistic brain, but isnt it just distortion? surprised noone has said that by now.
Glenn, Very nice image and thread-Another vote for Dave's re-post!
Thanks Denise , Harold are you talking lens distortion ?
yep, lens distortion.
If it's lens distortion, why isn't the lighthouse affected?
david, it's not distorted at all. i just leveled the horizon and then checked the plumb of the door on the lighthouse and it was perfect. the three windows do not line up. even in reality. but that door on the left does not lie!!!
Great comp Glen. like the repost by David with the blue sky and clouds. Great FG leading you into the image.
Thanks, Harold. I checked the original image that was posted, and I'm just not seeing what
you're reporting. These screen shots are from the uncorrected image. The door is plumb
right down to the pixel level, but the horizon is tilted.
David, What do you think is up? I have been following this thread but didn't comment on the horizon-but it does seem as though the horizon line can't lie. Is the light house just that uneven?What are your thoughts on that?
Harold, You seem to do alot of these style images. What do you think is the reason?
You both agree that the door is plumb-correct? What about the horizon line-It can't be crooked -could it ? That wouldn't make sense. So for the average guy trying to level this image. What would you do?Wouldn't the horizon line have to be straight first and foremost?
Is it lens distortion? Can it distort it that much?I'm confused:confused:
Thankyou both in advance for your help.
Last edited by denise ippolito; 03-22-2009 at 08:51 AM.
I love a good puzzle, and I couldn't leave this one alone. After further tinkering, I'm now convinced
that this is a plain case of camera tilt and that the vertical lines on the lighthouse are too short
to show the tilt.
I rotated the image to level the horizon -- and checked this very closely with a horizontal guide. Then
I zoomed in on the lighthouse to see if the door was now out of plumb, which is what I expected.
But no. The door was still plumb, just as Harold said.:eek: Checked the sides of the light windows atop the lighthouse. Also still plumb.
So I conclude that those vertical lines are too short to gauge image tilt, but the horizon is long enough to do so. (I don't think there's any significant lens distortion here. Shot at 28mm with a sensor that has a 1.5x crop factor, I wouldn't expect enough distortion to be noticeable.)
Practical lesson in all this: When leveling tilted images, look for long lines to use as a reference. Short ones might not be reliable.
Last edited by David Thomasson; 03-22-2009 at 09:25 AM.
David, Thankyou for this. I would never have thought that short lines are sometimes inaccurate-I will keep that thought in mind when I try to level similar settings.
A wonderful image by Glenn (those rock are to die for) and a great discussion with a practical lesson. Thanks!
Hi Glenn,
A little late to the party.....but David's last assesment is correct I believe.....we couldn't tell because of the shape of Peggy's cove light and the taper doesn't allow our eye a long enugh strait line to judge......so good catch David!
Now for the image......it has absolutely wonderful rocks around it. I really like the cloud work you did to add interest and it was well done. I'm leaning more to the B&W......although both are very nice....and I'll just add a few more tweak suggestions.....dodge a few areas of the seaweed.....before the conversion.....to further add to the tonality and also some in the shadow areas to really make the image pop! I might even consider.....leaving the top red......just to really draw the eye. Overall, very nicely composed!
Well i guess it's another round of thanks to everyone ,it's been a learning experience. Roman i will try your suggested dodging of the seaweed and shadow areas ,thanks again everyone this is what makes this the best forum on the net :)
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