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    Default Processing RAW in LR And Then Complete In CS4

    I used to use Bridge and ACR to select images then do RAW conversion for CS4. I recently began to use LR Library as I like it better than Bridge. OK so to the point - If I use the Develop Module in LR then then tell LR to "Edit in CS4" will the choices I made in Develop be carried over into CS4 upon opening?

    The reason this question occurs to me is that when I re-open a saved TIFF image after CS4 processing I get a dialogue box asking me if I want the LR changes to export to CS4 or process the original only. Well - the TIFF is already processed and saved as TIFF from CS4, so I am not sure why it is asking me this question at this time when it doesn't ask the first time I send it to CS4.

    I hope this makes sense.

    Any input will be most helpful.

    Thanks

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    Ed,

    As I am getting ready to use LR for cataloging I will probably be trying this so I too am interested in comments. Let's see what happens.

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    Well last night I searched the Adobe site and found that if I use CTRL+E on a selected image it opens a dialogue box to send the image to CS4. The box asks if I want to send it using the LR adjustments or not. So, I guess this is what to do. I will practice with it late today.

    Robert, the main reason I am switching to LR library is that I can search all my images for a particular one or by key word and it will indicate what hard drive the original resides on. I do not have to have all drives turned on to see the thumbs. To me this is a big advantage.

    BTW, I have 2 internal drives on my tower and I make a clone of the C drive kind of regularly, so the LR catalogue is backed up. Importing each file to LR so the catalogue works is time consuming and I don't want to have to do it again!!!

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    Ed,
    I used LR for a while but switched to Aperture when I bought a Mac. I think the issue is that LR(and Aperture) does not really make any changes to the photo but only saves the adjustments as processing instructions that you make in the develop module. If you export the photo using the export button on the bottom of the library module, then the changes are made to the raw file and saved as a Tiff or as the original format if you choose. If you use the Edit in PS or cntrl E, make adjustments in CS and save at the same location, its a different file so I think LR will recognize that the file is different from the one that it saved the adjustments for and is asking you whether or not to apply the processing instructions to the edited photo.

    The thing about LR or Aperture for cataloging is that its great if you import the photos and leave them unchanged in the location but once the photos are adjusted it does create this issue of having two files for the same the photo. It is a pain and time consuming to reimport the photos to the catalog after adjustment but thats the only way I have found to be able to keep track of the raw file and the finished file in either LR or Aperture albeit in different catalogs. My work flow is to keep the raw file as well as the finished file with all adjustments from photoshop other than sharpening. Consequently, I use Aperture to track the photos as they are imported onto the external hard drive where I keep the raw files but not I don't take the time to create a new catalog tracking the finished files.

    If someone has a better way, I would like to know about it.

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    Thanks for the response Andy. It is my understanding that in LR the RAW adjustments are saved in a side car file (.XMP). This information, I believe, stays with the image in LR. So, if I adjust a RAW file and close it only to open it later and go to Develop Module the previous adjustments are still in place, unless I change them.

    I just tried to use the CTRL+E command and set my preferences to open in CS4 as a TIFF file. The file opened with the following name - filename-edit.TIFF After I saved the edited TIFF in the original folder it did automatically show up in my LR catalogue. I did not have to re import it.

    As I work with it tonight I will confirm that this occurs every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Cordes View Post
    Thanks for the response Andy. It is my understanding that in LR the RAW adjustments are saved in a side car file (.XMP). This information, I believe, stays with the image in LR. So, if I adjust a RAW file and close it only to open it later and go to Develop Module the previous adjustments are still in place, unless I change them.

    I just tried to use the CTRL+E command and set my preferences to open in CS4 as a TIFF file. The file opened with the following name - filename-edit.TIFF After I saved the edited TIFF in the original folder it did automatically show up in my LR catalogue. I did not have to re import it.

    As I work with it tonight I will confirm that this occurs every time.
    Ed,
    It should. I've been using LR since it was released as a 1.0 and absolutely love it. The XMP file you refer to is an option--not a default. (Go into Edit --> Catalog Settings --> Metadata and check "Automatically write changes into XMP.")

    It does slow down the process slightly as it has to write to the XMP files pretty often (assuming you're making changes), but it means that, if for some reason your catalog melts but your hard drive stays intact, at least Photoshop (and Camera RAW) can read all of your changes, and they'll be right there when you build a new LR database.
    However, I've never actually had that happen. But it is peace of mind. More practically, it means that you can open the file with Camera RAW and it shows the same adjustments as LR.

    Cheers,
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    Thanks David, I will ensure I have the XMP file set up as a default for change recording.

    So, if I have XMP set up to record changes and I right click an image and send it to PS "with LR adjustments" I can by pass ACR completely?? I believe the RAW converter in LR is the same as ACR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Cordes View Post
    Thanks David, I will ensure I have the XMP file set up as a default for change recording.

    So, if I have XMP set up to record changes and I right click an image and send it to PS "with LR adjustments" I can by pass ACR completely?? I believe the RAW converter in LR is the same as ACR.
    Well, that's true either way. When you ask LR to send to PS "with adjustments," it converts the file to either a TIFF or a PSD (depending on what setting you specified in LR--the default is PSD), imports it into LR so that the changes you make in PS will show up, and then launches PS.

    The advantage of saving the XMP all of the time is that it essentially "backs up" the changes you're making to the location of the original file, as well as within the LR database. That, and you can open one of those RAW files outside of LR, load it into Camera RAW, and all of the changes you've made will be reflected in Camera RAW. (Indeed, Camera RAW and LR adjustments are the same, just with different interfaces.)

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    David, what happens if you convert to DNG before making any adjustments in LR?

    Supposedly, the LR adjustments are saved in the .dng file and there is no sidecar .xmp.

    What happens when you send to CS4 converting to 16-bit TIFF, make further adjustments, and then send back to LR?

    When the image is back inside of LR, is it a new .dng file, or is the old .dng simply updated with all of the CS4 adjustments?

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    Adobe just posted some online free seminars that cover this specific question in detail, plus a number of other photographer specific tips: http://direct.adobe.com/v?xlJHWqWEqPcJcTJvP

    I found the information easy to understand and valuable.
    Mike

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