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    Default House sparrow (Passer domesticus)

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    Image captured in my back garden, taken from a hide/blind
    Model Name : OM-1 150-400TC
    l Length (35 mm conversion) : 441.0mm
    ISO : 1250
    Exposure compensation : 0.0 EV
    Exposure mode : Manual exposure
    Shutter : 1/4000 sec
    Aperture : F4.5
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    Sorry Jon, not working for me, the stump is too big and dominates, plus it's a little ugly. The light is just too even overall, be better to have some more tonal range with shadows/highlights creating shape, texture and form.

    The beak full of mealworms, just a non starter. Did you lighten the head/eye?

    Sorry to be negative, but always try to be honest.

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    That's fine all I want is honest opinion- no need to apologise at all. I didn't lighten the had more than the body, agreed stump is too big, that's why I cropped, I just need to get a better stump! I dd put some Clarity in the eye. I played around with the lighting according to colour - maybe I could have done more - experimenting gingerly at present. I have some more frames with the feet clear of the stump but the wings were not so good.... plenty of time will get better ones.

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    I played around with the lighting according to colour - maybe I could have done more - experimenting gingerly at present.
    Jon, I'm surprised you are still 'experimenting' as this by now should be a far more honed/polished affair, with a well trodden path in execution for PP. I appreciate that Olympus files are not the greatest and after what two years you should be nailing them, but as I said moons ago, fiddling is not the answer... honing a well constructed WF, updating with the advancements avoids a huge amount of rabbit warrens/distractions. Even with ACR masking, PS is still your best option for specific adjustments, as it can lead to unwanted artifacts.

    I dd put some Clarity in the eye.
    What was it that you wanted to achieve, is this the best adjustment, or is there something better perhaps to achieve your goal??? If you wish to experiment then adjust one slider to the full throttle left/right only then will you see the cause & effect and so you are then empowered to make the correct/educated adjustment. All this two points, one point means diddly squat, but the over arching message is all of this are different forms of Contrast sharpening, Clarity, Levels, Contrast, Curves.... etc etc

    Jon before moving to Olympus you really had a far better grasp in your PP, yes the new files take a bit of getting used too, well at least they aren't Fuji, but I think you need to grab the Bull now and start to form a plan.

    Your love & passion for capturing the image is what excites you, but PP works hand in glove and so you can take the most amazing image, but like a deck of cards it all comes crashing down if the PP isn't also embraced, Simplicity Master Jon, Simplicity...


    If you were happy using DXO fine, but just hone things with PS and if the colour isn't quite right try Colour balance for example, but you might not need to adjust all three.

    Just being honest Jon, but don't fall into the bear trap and do everything in ACR or Lr, you simply can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Kaluski View Post
    Jon, I'm surprised you are still 'experimenting' as this by now should be a far more honed/polished affair, with a well trodden path in execution for PP. I appreciate that Olympus files are not the greatest and after what two years you should be nailing them, but as I said moons ago, fiddling is not the answer... honing a well constructed WF, updating with the advancements avoids a huge amount of rabbit warrens/distractions. Even with ACR masking, PS is still your best option for specific adjustments, as it can lead to unwanted artifacts.



    What was it that you wanted to achieve, is this the best adjustment, or is there something better perhaps to achieve your goal??? If you wish to experiment then adjust one slider to the full throttle left/right only then will you see the cause & effect and so you are then empowered to make the correct/educated adjustment. All this two points, one point means diddly squat, but the over arching message is all of this are different forms of Contrast sharpening, Clarity, Levels, Contrast, Curves.... etc etc

    Jon before moving to Olympus you really had a far better grasp in your PP, yes the new files take a bit of getting used too, well at least they aren't Fuji, but I think you need to grab the Bull now and start to form a plan.

    Your love & passion for capturing the image is what excites you, but PP works hand in glove and so you can take the most amazing image, but like a deck of cards it all comes crashing down if the PP isn't also embraced, Simplicity Master Jon, Simplicity...


    If you were happy using DXO fine, but just hone things with PS and if the colour isn't quite right try Colour balance for example, but you might not need to adjust all three.

    Just being honest Jon, but don't fall into the bear trap and do everything in ACR or Lr, you simply can't.
    Thanks for the advice, I have been processing since late nineties, still have lots to learn. I have tried consistency but it doesn't always produce consistent results. No point blaming Olympus that's too easy. If it was as easy (and it often is) as it can be then that's fine, but sometimes it doesn't come together, hence the experimenting with different colours I have not used to any great extent previously.

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    Hi Jon ... very cool that you are able to get such nice pose of the bird !! For me the color/tones and light are quite nice ... maybe not perfect , but what is perfection ?? Framing is great .
    I do find the blacks a bit too solid on the throat/breast and the sharpening does look kind of coarse having the fine details of the Goldfinch in mind , or is the feather structure simply rougher in the Sparrow ???!!
    The killer is for the sure the perch .... and the cut off feet .
    Funny that you complained about , some time ago , a peanut piece in the beak of one of my avian shots .... and now you show a image with " handful " of mealworms in the beak of a Housesparrow . I am generally ok with stuff like this ...

    TFS Andreas

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    Yes to less stump, but I really like the pose, colours and detail on the bird. I have being using mealworms recently, and the Great Spotted Woodpeckers are taking them faster than I can provide them... I must admit that they do look like a natural food, I try and get the GSW shots as soon as they land, or they end up looking like a Puffin with about 20 mealworm in the bill

    Will

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