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    Hi folks another image which took at my working place ...
    Image captured early morning before the sun came up over the hill .

    The Finches started to build a nest in the greenery behind , but stopped it after some days .

    Canon EOS R3
    RF 2,8 400 IS L + 2x TC
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    F 5,6 ; Iso 16.000 ; 1/1600 sec

    Processed with Capture One and PSCC 2023 ; slight crop and removed two small twigs on LHS

    Thanks for looking and commenting to my previous postings

    Cheers Andreas

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    The result is good colours excellent details in all colours. The background is perhaps a little less than ideal (coming from the guy who complains about featureless backgrounds!!). I am guessing you have a high frame rate on the R3 so in instances such as this I would also consider taking some at a lower SS - not that there's anything wrong with this but I think the background may have been a little smoother.

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    Thanks for your comment Jon ... much appreciated .
    I am a little puzzled about your suggestion shooting with that kit (HH) at slower shutter speed , how does the shutter speed have an influence on the background structure ??
    Personally i am more than ok with the BG , it is not a studio shot... nor is it a set up .

    But please explain it to me to smooth out the existing BG during capture

    Cheers Andreas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Thanks for your comment Jon ... much appreciated .
    I am a little puzzled about your suggestion shooting with that kit (HH) at slower shutter speed , how does the shutter speed have an influence on the background structure ??
    Personally i am more than ok with the BG , it is not a studio shot... nor is it a set up .

    But please explain it to me to smooth out the existing BG during capture



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    Simply that a lower SS would translate to lower ISO which may have lead to a lower noise level overall and therefore a smoother appearance all round. Yes I appreciate you love high ISO and results are good but i think it is not always necessary to use high ISO when lower ISO options are available, i.e. I wouldn't use high ISO just for the sake of it, I would try lower after getting the required results with high ISO.

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    Thanks for the answer Jon .... interesting theory you have .
    I would completely disagree here on all the things you pointed out .
    The " issue " you see here , is quite simply explained .... the BG is just too close to the subject . The 400 lens has the best Bokeh one can think of , even with the 2x TC it is creamy .... but not when the BG is roughly 50 to 80 cm behind the subject .
    To me it has got nothing to do with the Iso and the noise . As the potential noise is eliminated for the most part .
    And the background structure is completely low frequency by nature .... if not in focus .
    I do not love shooting high iso .... I am just not afraid of it , unlike others .

    Cheers Andreas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Thanks for the answer Jon .... interesting theory you have .
    I would completely disagree here on all the things you pointed out .
    The " issue " you see here , is quite simply explained .... the BG is just too close to the subject . The 400 lens has the best Bokeh one can think of , even with the 2x TC it is creamy .... but not when the BG is roughly 50 to 80 cm behind the subject .
    To me it has got nothing to do with the Iso and the noise . As the potential noise is eliminated for the most part .
    And the background structure is completely low frequency by nature .... if not in focus .
    I do not love shooting high iso .... I am just not afraid of it , unlike others .



    Cheers Andreas
    OK point taken, in that case move the bloody perch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan Ashton View Post
    OK point taken, in that case move the bloody perch!
    LOL Jon ... fully ok if you have reservations or think differently . But i think you have misinterpreted things you see .

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    Andreas, man the subject just really stands out to me. You handled him delicately but with pronounced tones and colors. Love it!

    AFA the background, it's maybe a little bit distracting but you overcame that beautifully with the placement of the subject in frame.

    I could see pulling in from LRC a bit possibly and would shorten that bright stem in lower right of the branch. Overall, shown nicely thank you!

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    Thanks Brian .. glad you like the subject

    The Subject dictated the BG by choosing the perch , no influence from my side .... no other shooting angle was possible .
    Your thinking of recomposing is good , i just wanted a wider shot ... in this case . IQ would held up ...
    The stem could go with ease .. but on the other hand the image does become more sterile with every removal , i would rather think about darkening the stem to make it less obvious .

    Cheers Andreas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Thanks Brian .. glad you like the subject

    The Subject dictated the BG by choosing the perch , no influence from my side .... no other shooting angle was possible .
    Your thinking of recomposing is good , i just wanted a wider shot ... in this case . IQ would held up ...
    The stem could go with ease .. but on the other hand the image does become more sterile with every removal , i would rather think about darkening the stem to make it less obvious .

    Cheers Andreas
    That could work well too!

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    I am actually loving the BG as is. But yes, that bright stem needs to be darkened. Great subject, such a beautiful bird. You did really well with this frame.

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