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    I captured this image at Ft. DeSoto County Park in Pinellas County, Florida. Comments and critique welcomed and appreciated. Thank you for viewing.

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    Post processed using Lightroom Classic, Photoshop CC 2023 and Topaz Denoise AI, removed a couple muddy looking wavelets from the background
    Cropped for composition and presentation
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    Image looks pretty sound to me in terms of composition and detail. Sorry I cannot offer an opinion on the plumage I have not seen this bird before. Apart from the belly it seems to resemble the Grey plover, if so I wondering if the blacks are deep enough??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan Ashton View Post
    Image looks pretty sound to me in terms of composition and detail. Sorry I cannot offer an opinion on the plumage I have not seen this bird before. Apart from the belly it seems to resemble the Grey plover, if so I wondering if the blacks are deep enough??
    Hi Jon, thank you for viewing and commenting. I had a couple small areas in the blacks that began to clip so I left the blacks as they were.
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    Joe, I really like this frame.

    Your positioning of the subject is nice. The gradient effect of blues to the specular enriched tans is quite pretty.

    Good amount of detail on the subject (one I've not seen before) and it's at a great angle to the lens.

    I felt like the subject was maybe a bit flat, able to use a bump in exposure. Checking in PS it appears whites are all 233 and below, leaving me to believe you exposed the water very well but the subject is a touch dark.

    Take a look at boosting him a bit and maybe tossing a left hook to the mids for a little oomph.

    One of the nicer canvases you've posted in a while IMO. TFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan Ashton View Post
    Image looks pretty sound to me in terms of composition and detail. Sorry I cannot offer an opinion on the plumage I have not seen this bird before. Apart from the belly it seems to resemble the Grey plover, if so I wondering if the blacks are deep enough??
    Black-bellied Plover in New World = Grey Plover in Old World. Both are Pluvialis squatarola.

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    I agree with John about the blacks; boosting them will give the image more punch. Smooth surrounds are nice. I woulda gone lower, but that's me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Sump View Post
    Joe, I really like this frame.

    Your positioning of the subject is nice. The gradient effect of blues to the specular enriched tans is quite pretty.

    Good amount of detail on the subject (one I've not seen before) and it's at a great angle to the lens.

    I felt like the subject was maybe a bit flat, able to use a bump in exposure. Checking in PS it appears whites are all 233 and below, leaving me to believe you exposed the water very well but the subject is a touch dark.

    Take a look at boosting him a bit and maybe tossing a left hook to the mids for a little oomph.

    One of the nicer canvases you've posted in a while IMO. TFS.
    Hi Brian, thank you for viewing and commenting. I will go back to the image using your suggestions, I appreciated your input to improve the image.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian Anderson View Post
    I agree with John about the blacks; boosting them will give the image more punch. Smooth surrounds are nice. I woulda gone lower, but that's me!
    Thanks Dorian for viewing and commenting. I will revisit the image with your suggestions to improve the image, much appreciated.
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    In like the framing of the subject, the good eye contact and pose from the bird! I agree with others about the blacks and exposure, but still a very nice image Joe. Well done

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    Hi Joe ... nice frame with a pleasing composition .
    A lot of suggestions above .... so will not add more .
    Just one thing , bumping the blacks will kill details .... if something could be pushed , it is the 3/4 tones . Well from my POV . But this needs to be done in PS ....

    TFS Andreas

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    I might look at loosing the hint of shadow Joe, for me it doesn't add much, so either crop, or clone if its too tight at the foot.

    Just one thing , bumping the blacks will kill details .... if something could be pushed , it is the 3/4 tones . Well from my POV . But this needs to be done in PS ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Hi Joe ... nice frame with a pleasing composition .
    A lot of suggestions above .... so will not add more .
    Just one thing , bumping the blacks will kill details .... if something could be pushed , it is the 3/4 tones . Well from my POV . But this needs to be done in PS ....

    TFS Andreas
    Hi Andreas, thank you for viewing and commenting. To pick your brain, to learn how... how would you push the 3/4 tones in PS?
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    Hi Joe .... base of my suggestion is the knowledge of luminosity masks and their use in combo with adjustment layers and / or channel blending with blend modes .
    In practical .... one has to select the tonal range you want to edit ( i.e. 3/4 tones) via the one of the RGB channels . The easiest way to do that is a panel for photoshop that is numerously floating around the web , get it install it .... and you can start with tonal selections of your choice !!!
    Once you have your selection done via that panel , add it as a layer mask to a pixel or adjustment layer to restrict your edit to the selected tonal range . You can darken , lighten , add more tone , color or contrast . And you can even select the intensity via opacity of that layer . Does sound complicated but it is not !!!

    Hope this helps

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    Or, if you don’t want the expense then within PS, Calculates/Subtractions, again with channels is the way. But it’s time consuming and you REALLY, need to know what you are doing, but it’s the original way to make this masks IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Hi Joe .... base of my suggestion is the knowledge of luminosity masks and their use in combo with adjustment layers and / or channel blending with blend modes .
    In practical .... one has to select the tonal range you want to edit ( i.e. 3/4 tones) via the one of the RGB channels . The easiest way to do that is a panel for photoshop that is numerously floating around the web , get it install it .... and you can start with tonal selections of your choice !!!
    Once you have your selection done via that panel , add it as a layer mask to a pixel or adjustment layer to restrict your edit to the selected tonal range . You can darken , lighten , add more tone , color or contrast . And you can even select the intensity via opacity of that layer . Does sound complicated but it is not !!!

    Hope this helps

    Cheers Andreas

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    Thanks Andreas, I will look into it, much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Kaluski View Post
    Or, if you don’t want the expense then within PS, Calculates/Subtractions, again with channels is the way. But it’s time consuming and you REALLY, need to know what you are doing, but it’s the original way to make this masks IMHO.
    Thanks Steve, much appreciated.
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