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    Another shot of these plentiful annoying birds at my place.
    Canon EOS R5 EF 600 f4 III HH
    1/3200 f7.1 iso800
    ACR PS2022 some NR (Neat Image 9) 25% crop sharpen
    cleaned up a few over bright leaves in the BG
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    Hi Colin, if these are anything like the Indian Myna, then yes they can be rather of a nuisance.

    Interesting you have the subject shot from above which I quiet like, but do find the backdrop rather distracting in parts, especially the more darker patches. Overall the blacks & contrast are very dominant and again... in parts, hiding more detail. I might consider coming in from the BRHC so the space either side is more even. At ISO800 the R5 files should be super clean and certainly no need for any NR unless the image is poorly exposed, and if you are applying the NR to the Tiff, not the raw you will have issues working on a backed Tiff, but nice you have good light The RH wing looks a bit odd and I don't think it's down to motion blur, perhaps a little pixel blur, whats the Mode set to on the lens? Are you using single point or AF zone?

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    Hi Colin ... i kinda like the flight pose and the framing .

    Just think the contrast is too strong , not much you can do about the busy BG other than keeping the contrast way lower .
    Would also raise the question why bothering about NR at Iso 800 ... will never get the point about that .

    Just my take .

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    Thanks, here's a different crop and less contrast.
    Edit: WRT noise at iso800 my R5 (or the way I use it?) develops noise very quickly in any slightly underexposed areas
    So without NR and after sharpening there was considerable grain in the wings, particularly obvious in the yellow patches.
    No problem for evenly lit subjects.
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    Hi Colin, if these are anything like the Indian Myna, then yes they can be rather of a nuisance.

    Interesting you have the subject shot from above which I quiet like, but do find the backdrop rather distracting in parts, especially the more darker patches. Overall the blacks & contrast are very dominant and again... in parts, hiding more detail. I might consider coming in from the BRHC so the space either side is more even. At ISO800 the R5 files should be super clean and certainly no need for any NR unless the image is poorly exposed, and if you are applying the NR to the Tiff, not the raw you will have issues working on a backed Tiff, but nice you have good light The RH wing looks a bit odd and I don't think it's down to motion blur, perhaps a little pixel blur, whats the Mode set to on the lens? Are you using single point or AF zone?

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    Steve, Mode 2, AF zone with eye detect on. I use the Neat Image PS plugin.

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    Hi Colin ... the RP looks brighter , the blacks still very dense IMHO .
    Check the histogram the blacks are clipped in green and blue channel .
    Both images having a magenta cast .... though .

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    Nice freeze on the wings, I agree with Andreas about the blacks. I also wish the angle wasn't headed away from the viewer, but obvious out of your control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Hi Colin ... the RP looks brighter , the blacks still very dense IMHO .
    Check the histogram the blacks are clipped in green and blue channel .
    Both images having a magenta cast .... though .

    Cheers Andreas

    Andreas, I didn't 'brighten' it, it became brighter after reducing blacks in ACR. Not sure how I can take them further and I don't see any black blocking in the histo.
    Also don't see a magenta cast, but a slight red cast due to early morning light that I chose to leave.

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    Colin in ACR, under the Histogram you have Edit, then you have PROFILE, what is this set too? Also, just a thought, have you ensured you have checked the 'Depth' and that you are working in 16bit, rather than 8bit.
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    I know you are told this on every post, but it is purple!! Somehow you just do not see this color caste which
    is on every image you post... Trying to help out here but clearly there is something wrong with your eyes... no offense....

    Also for the hundredth time, almost everyone in every discipline uses some NR on photo images,, it is why Denoise products are on
    every serious photographers computer. There is nothing wrong on using it on the backgrounds no matter what the iso is.
    The ridiculous advice given here on this subject is repetitive and boring and Wrong.
    Dan Kearl

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    Hi Colin. I understand the comments given so far, and yes I do see a strong magenta cast here. Is your monitor calibrated? I do prefer the re-post in terms of the background. I don't find it as distracting as others may find it, but that's just me...natural environment and all. At least there are so many of these birds around (including the tree outside my front yard) and plenty of opportunities to photograph them. I actually don't mind the pose, but a banking one looking slightly down/across would be my preference, with more of the eyes showing.

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    AF zone with eye detect on.
    Colin to my knowledge AF Zone (single large centre square) does not allow Animal eye detect, the only camera that allows Animal Eye detect with the AF zone, Large AF Zone (horizontal/vertical) is the new R3 which you can also Customise the sizes of the zone and also have Animal eye detect. However, if I'm wrong please let me know as I'm shooting with the R5 and it would be good to have.
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    Paul, my monitor is calibrated. It was early morning reddish sunlight that I chose to leave.
    Steve, you are correct and my answer was misleading. Face+tracking with eye detect is what I use. Zone AF only detects faces not eyes.

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    Hi Colin, what Firmware are you currently running with the R5?
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    OK Colin, the latest, I was just wondering if you had updated it, as AF now for R5/6 is almost on par with the R3, but super good. I just wonder if there is something perhaps you may have missed on the set up as it can be daunting first off, I personally have all three Back buttons customised for AF, but that just me. I'm just trying to think of ways to help improve nailing the image.
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    Hi Colin, I have emailed you how to set up the R5, follow it exactly and you are good to go.

    Good luck.
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