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    Since September I've been messing about with the R5 & 6 finally getting my R5 early last month to accompany the EOS-1DX MK3, but time has not been on my side with zero photography. As Jon A alluded to this week, weather has been dire here, but this afternoon this visitor turned up so thought I would just take a short break and have a pop, but these are very skittish, esily spooked by small birds. They are basically stripping the pyracanthus laiden with berries in the garden. As I mentioned light is of a premium and so here is where the ISO is pushed to 10k and the heavens have briefly stopped. I've always liked having the Histogram in the EVF and customising the ring delivers perfectly exposed images.

    Not a fan of cropping from landscape to portrait or visa versa, but... the image isn't anything special, but it's nice to get the old fingers working again.

    Thanks to those who posted or viewed on the last posting.

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    Subject: Redwing (Turdus iliacus)
    Location: UK
    Camera: Canon EOS-R5
    Lens: EF500mm f/4L IS II USM
    * Exposure: 1/400s at f/5.6 ISO10k
    Original format: Landscape, cropped portrait to full height
    Processed via: LRC 9.4 & PS2020
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    For a cropped image and ISO 10000 pretty darned good - not intended as a back handed compliment, colours look spot on (hey light not switched on in my study!!) The image does not exhibit the fine detail I am accustomed to in your images but it is nevertheless a pleasing shot and as you indicate it is great to get a photograph of something.
    Some of the background areas are exhibiting rather hard edges, I would be inclined to blend them if possible, I am not sure how much NR you applied to the bird, detail is compromised as might be expected given the ISO and a crop, but it is very clean - good job well done!
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    Steve, glad to hear you're getting some miles on the R5!

    I'll say that for 10k, this looks strong. Please share details (no pun) on how much you moved the NR slider for the sake of learning.

    Comp wise, some probably won't prefer the oof berries but I've always liked frames like this. They do drown out the subject a bit but still pretty. Pose and eye sharpness are strong.

    TFS!

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    For a cropped image and ISO 10000 pretty darned good - not intended as a back handed compliment,
    Jon, none taken.

    colours look spot on (hey light not switched on in my study!!)
    Like the 1DX MK3 the colours are good IMHO, Canon still fall foul of colour noise and something I've said for the last 4-5 years, but noise is improving. Certainly the MK3 would be better, ditto the 6, but always want to push things to find the makers, can't just stick to ISO1600 or even 2000... we just don't have the weather here, as you know. Lights off - good.

    The image does not exhibit the fine detail I am accustomed to in your images but it is nevertheless a pleasing shot and as you indicate it is great to get a photograph of something.
    At 1/400 with any slight movement and the MPx it's there but not quite, if you shot ISO800 in glorious sunshine then no problem, so as per the 5DMKIV I think 6400 would be about right with a faster SS, plus there is no AFMA. The images in the past have been good in the past, just could not resist this Redwing, think the sun might be out so lets see what tomorrow brings before we get plunged back into darkness again.

    am not sure how much NR you applied to the bird, it is very clean - good job well done!
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    Steve, I have added a couple more comments into my original post, your comments and Brian's crossed as I posted.
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    Steve, glad to hear you're getting some miles on the R5!

    I'll say that for 10k, this looks strong. Please share details (no pun) on how much you moved the NR slider for the sake of learning.

    Comp wise, some probably won't prefer the oof berries but I've always liked frames like this. They do drown out the subject a bit but still pretty. Pose and eye sharpness are strong.
    Hi Brian, yep, messed around with both since September, hence why I've said to folk pick your needs and where you shoot, that will help dictate the camera, if I didn't have the 1DX3 then for sure I would simply buy the R6, then the R5.

    NR I just use LR and toggle the sliders, no 'magic art' as each image is different and I have no pre-sets, it's all done on the merit of each image.

    Shooting has it's restrictions, from the 1st floor window so slightly angled down and the bushes are as is, can't move them, just have to wait for the 'moment'.

    Good to see you are cracking on in both 'in-the-field & PP' and making headway, but having read some of your replies I can't help but feel a more defined Workflow does eliminate many of juggling of sliders, but fun to explore.

    FWIW this is the FF unsharpened
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    Hi Steve ... congrats to the new toy .
    Finally you made a decision !!!
    You will make your way with it , regardless of your local weather .

    Interesting to see your " heavy cropping " .

    Nice setting with all the colorful berries , albeit a bit overwhelming for the little birdie . Color and tone control is good as expected if treated from your side !!!
    Not knowing the R5 and not seen any decent high iso raw files , I would say the detail and sharpness is acceptable or even quite good as posted .

    Looked for raw samples on the web for having a look at the capabilities of R5/6 in terms of noise and dynamic range , but could not find any . Samples were only up to 3200 .... well not a thing for taking personal benchmarks .

    Have fun with it !!!

    TFS Andreas

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    Thanks Andreas, I liked the 5D4, but the FPS was frustrating at times and so when I saw the 5&6 it was time to off load ASAP. I like both, but each is different and you need to do the Pros & Cons and where you plan to use it (good/bad light), (in all weathers, or only if it’s dry), but the fact you can use EF lens, fantastic. Shoot at low ISO below 3200, great, but nice to have the fall back of the MK3 or 6. R1 too expensive I fear and prices are plummeting on SH as the market quickly floods, demand is stupidly high, so long waits.

    Still hard not to have the camera tweaked for pin sharpness, but it works, Cases seem to be marginal better. No idea on how folk set theirs up, I surprising may take a different tact to avoid locking onto the wrong element, but it’s very quick to lock and hold the subject. Really like the amount of Customisation you can do, your thumb gets a great workout.
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    For me the time has not come .... yet , will stay with equivalent 1 series ( if it is coming ) . At the moment a lot of time to save money for the pricey stuff .... as traveling will be more or less impossible next year . I am not really expecting to make overseas holidays in 2021 ..... good for the wallet , not that good for my soul .

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    Yep, and today things have ramped up even more, with two folk arriving from SA!!!
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    Seen that on the news .... oh dear , wonder what else is coming on that front ????

    BTW .... is it not somehow " difficult " to jump between the two camera systems , if you are used to one ??? Without getting mixed up !!

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    Not as such, as the buttons are replicated to a degree, but you get used to it where they are not.
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    I like the red berries. They offer some nice color in here. The pose is nice. After seeing the original, the image quality does look quite nice. Maybe you will end up ditching the 1DX.

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    Seeing the uncropped version makes me think there is a nice horizontal comp in there - but it involves trimming the top of the tall berry stalk. Just an alternative, and you get to preserve many more pixels on the image...

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    Dan, spot on, that believe it or not was my original thinking, but thought cropping the berries might have been a no no. Appreciate the input.
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