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    EOS R Ef 400 DO I 2xtc II f11 1/1000 ISO 1600 Slight crop for better composition.

    On the evening last year, when I decided to go in close with the TC, caught the behavior I've seen often. When mom is out of food, she turns away from chicks raises her bill and no longer works on regurgitant. After standing in this position for a few minutes, the chicks lay back down and stop begging.

    As always thanks for valued inputs. Please keep them coming.

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    Interesting frame and behavior. I like the frame as it is different and shows the behavior of the chick. Not sure about the sharpness or seems somewhat soft which it shouldn't be at f/11 maybe some movement on you or the bird. I also think it needs some saturation a little more pop. TFS

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    Hi David .. interesting behavior you are telling in your intro .

    I do like the unusual crop or pose as presented . Not so 100% sure about the color and tones ... but will leave it to you . I do agree with Kevin about the sharpness or softness in the plumage ... might try one more round of sharpening . But not Smart sharpen at 100 / 0.6 ....

    TFS Andreas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Hi David .. interesting behavior you are telling in your intro .

    I do like the unusual crop or pose as presented . Not so 100% sure about the color and tones ... but will leave it to you . I do agree with Kevin about the sharpness or softness in the plumage ... might try one more round of sharpening . But not Smart sharpen at 100 / 0.6 ....

    TFS Andreas
    Boosted contrast. No more sharpening as it looks plenty sharp to me. Am I missing something? Only did smart sharpen at 50% .1 as I tried at 100,.5 and looked over sharpened to me. Sorry had to edit as I didn't save with contrast boost.
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    Love the pose and the light. Like the framing. Hair do is another bonus.

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    Hi David .... actually I do not think it does look " sharper " , but as we all see things differently and we all look the images on different screens I will leave the judgment to you . In the end you must be happy with your output . Final output sharpening is fully perceptional IMHO . To me your values ( albeit I use a script where the file will be downsized and sharpened three times !!! , from full pixel down to the final pixel size ) are looking quite high , for a web image . But again personal choice and a very subjective thing .
    Your contrast adjustment .... helped a bit with the tones , it does look like more contrast across the tonal range . I just have different expectations for my images .... again personal choice . I almost never use or add contrast by pushing sliders or adjust a curve on the whole image , in 95 % I use a luminosity mask to adjust the tones through the mask .... ( lumo mask not just painted mask ) .

    Here is a version with some minor tweaks WB , shadows , 1/4 tones and some local contrast brushing ....again matter of taste and the low res file not ideal to work with .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Hi David .... actually I do not think it does look " sharper " , but as we all see things differently and we all look the images on different screens I will leave the judgment to you . In the end you must be happy with your output . Final output sharpening is fully perceptional IMHO . To me your values ( albeit I use a script where the file will be downsized and sharpened three times !!! , from full pixel down to the final pixel size ) are looking quite high , for a web image . But again personal choice and a very subjective thing .
    Your contrast adjustment .... helped a bit with the tones , it does look like more contrast across the tonal range . I just have different expectations for my images .... again personal choice . I almost never use or add contrast by pushing sliders or adjust a curve on the whole image , in 95 % I use a luminosity mask to adjust the tones through the mask .... ( lumo mask not just painted mask ) .

    Here is a version with some minor tweaks WB , shadows , 1/4 tones and some local contrast brushing ....again matter of taste and the low res file not ideal to work with .

    Cheers Andreas
    Hi Andreas, Thanks for your help as usual. Please understand I respect your opinion and welcome your help. It is clear from your images you know and use much better PP techniques. Also, I assure you I am not being defensive and would love to learn and become better. First the 400 DO version 1 does have an issue with not enough contrast and this is first generation lens(DO technology) with second generation TC(combo known to need at least one stop down for reasonable sharpness). So, I always use a stored curve adjustment which gives a boost in this area (The S curve is minimal) for all DO images and it is at f11 for similar reason (old glass combo)). All I did on repost was apply that curve one more time. I don't understand what values you are referring to as quite high. Here were my end steps for this image after minor adjustments on TIF. Set mode to 8 bits/channel, set size to 1650 width in pixels (at 350 pixels/inch) and stored as highest quality JPG. Then I applied smart sharpen at 50%, .1 radius to JPG. Are these too high? I do usually try 100%, .5 as a starting point but that was way too strong and over sharpened to my eye for this image. Your repost doesn't look any sharper to me and looks close to the same as my repost as far as sharpness goes.
    The WB has taken away my golden light (taken at sunset with clear sky) so I prefer mine as I believe it's closer to what I saw. I am willing to provide TIF (out of DPP converted from raw with sharpness set to 2) for your opinion as to how best process. When I first rejoined this forum, Ari told me get new glass. I am holding out for some RF glass hopefully coming soon. In the mean time my very old glass keeps me having fun for now. Again, thanks so much for your valued inputs.

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    Hi David ... no problem with your opinion and in the end it is your image .
    I might see things different though . The quality of the kit ... should be not really and obviously visible in web images ... just my take . As long as you keep the techs good . The real difference will be really visible when you print them .

    I am just a little puzzled about your WF ... but seems to be too complex to make it clear here via commenting . Too many variables in that ball game .

    Just do me a favor and send me the RAW file , the TIF does not make sense !!


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    Very nice.
    Simple but effective. The boost in contast looks good in your second repost.
    Gail

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