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    Canon just introduced the 5D MK IV. 30 M-pixel, 7 fps with an AF module that on paper is similar to the EOS-1D X Mark II. it makes for a perfect backup body

    B&H pre-order link is here: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/promo...d-mark-iv.html
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    This is a very interesting camera with the new dual pixel Raw mode with the ability to adjust focus in post along with bokeh and ghosting if you can handle the file sizes you will be able to fine tune your focus in DPP if you slightly miss the mark on say a birds eye. Not sure how well it will work for avian subjects using long telephotos but looks like it will be very useful for macro or portraiture using wide apertures. Here is a video of how it works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcQ9MSRRvn4
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    Yeah I am really eager to see how much you can micro adjust focus in post. It could be a game changer in the field . BH says early sept. Figures crossed
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    The only drawback I see for action is the 60 megapixel files wondering what the buffer will be when in Dual Pixel mode.
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    The example is great. I am sure it will reduce buffer capacity wish the camera had CFAST instead of CF. it is strange that they didn't put this feature into 1DX2 but something tells me it might be possible to do it with a firmware update :D
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    Here is a article on the Dual Raw feature looks like the burst rate takes a hit from 21 to 7 frames http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources...ixel-raw.shtml
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    The buffer depths quoted by Canon are usually very conservative. My guess is with a fast UDMA7 card you can get more in a burst
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Lacy View Post
    This is a very interesting camera with the new dual pixel Raw mode with the ability to adjust focus in post along with bokeh and ghosting if you can handle the file sizes you will be able to fine tune your focus in DPP if you slightly miss the mark on say a birds eye. Not sure how well it will work for avian subjects using long telephotos but looks like it will be very useful for macro or portraiture using wide apertures. Here is a video of how it works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcQ9MSRRvn4
    Please note the most important phrasing "You may be able to very slightly adjust..."

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    You may be able to very slightly adjust...
    Yes that is the point and i think, for us wildlife photographers, it does not make sense.
    Another thing, i have noticed for me:

    the af seems to be from the 1DX Mark II (they said it), but it has one big difference:
    the itr tracking feature (in zone and 61 point mode) does not use/have the 360k colour itr, but it has an 150k colour itr, so for me more like the 5Ds(r) AF ??

    Anyway: For your information and pleasure:
    the official canon price here in germany is
    4065,-- Euros !! yes

    http://www.canon.de/images/Preislist...m83-376784.pdf

    (with tax, but we have to pay the tax anyway as private users)
    so i will hold and use my 5DsR and 1DX II as a dream team)


    But one thing makes me envious: The 5D Mark IV has a full usable touchscreen funcionality (like 80D/70D),
    not the nothing worth thing, like the 1DX II has it. The upcoming firmware update for the 1DX II in september also does not have this feature.
    That is sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Dienesch View Post
    Yes that is the point and i think, for us wildlife photographers, it does not make sense.
    Another thing, i have noticed for me:

    the af seems to be from the 1DX Mark II (they said it), but it has one big difference:
    the itr tracking feature (in zone and 61 point mode) does not use/have the 360k colour itr, but it has an 150k colour itr, so for me more like the 5Ds(r) AF ??

    Anyway: For your information and pleasure:
    the official canon price here in germany is
    4065,-- Euros !! yes

    http://www.canon.de/images/Preislist...m83-376784.pdf

    (with tax, but we have to pay the tax anyway as private users)
    so i will hold and use my 5DsR and 1DX II as a dream team)


    But one thing makes me envious: The 5D Mark IV has a full usable touchscreen funcionality (like 80D/70D),
    not the nothing worth thing, like the 1DX II has it. The upcoming firmware update for the 1DX II in september also does not have this feature.
    That is sad.
    Hi Eric, we need to wait and see how post capture focus MA works in practice. The critical sharpness is very important for IQ so if this feature can make images that are sharp but not quite tack sharp into tack sharp, it will be a ground breaking feature. we will see

    I think its too early to make a conclusion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Dienesch View Post

    the itr tracking feature (in zone and 61 point mode) does not use/have the 360k colour itr, but it has an 150k colour itr, so for me more like the 5Ds(r) AF ??
    Eric, Please explain what you mean by itr. Thanks.

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    iTR is intelligent tracking, the camera chooses one of the 61 AF points based on identifying human subjects and trying to focus on them. Read useless for BIF and the stuff we do.
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    arash has done it for me, thx,
    if it is useless or not depends on the way you use this feature. but i agree at all, it is not so worthfull for BIF, more for playing kids or people/fashion shooting.

    But it also should work in sports, like horse jumping. i have only mentioned it, because the comparism of the technical features. the 5D IV is in this case nearer to the 5Ds, than to the 1DX Mark II, in my opinion. Not a big point at all.


    and to arash: when i see this link

    https://www.dpreview.com/news/117747...non-5d-mark-iv

    i do not believe, that this post capture focus will become a big deal. not yet.

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    Hi Eric,

    Looking at your link I have a different impression, as I mentioned critical focus is imperative to achieving a great IQ and it seems that this feature could be quite useful.

    For e.g imagine you end up with an image that looks like -5, it's an immediate delete. If you can turn it into a 0 image it's certainly a keeper. Obviously it won't turn an OOF image into a sharp image but perhaps an image that is just a tad soft can be turned into a sharp file.

    That said I will hold judgement until I use it myself in the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arash_hazeghi View Post

    That said I will hold judgement until I use it myself in the field.
    Yes you are right, let`s see how it will works in the "real world"

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    Quote Originally Posted by arash_hazeghi View Post
    iTR is intelligent tracking, the camera chooses one of the 61 AF points based on identifying human subjects and trying to focus on them. Read useless for BIF and the stuff we do.
    That is what I thought :)

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    DP Review article on improved dynamic range: https://www.dpreview.com/news/322975...to-the-5d-line
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    From what I seen in a hands on video review the duel pixel correction factor increases with focal length. The possible adjustment range with a 50 or 85mm was very slight but with a 400mm it was several time fold. One has to wonder about 600's with extenders!
    If that's true is the bokeh correction going to be the same? And would the foreground be effected as well, if a single blade of grass was just across the eye of an otherwise perfect shot are we going to be able to side shift it clear??

    Seems too much like magic but either way It looks to be a good step up from the MKIII that I loved and sold off last week. Can't wait for the 8th 9th or whenever they ship!

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    Did somebody has mentioned (here) the interview from Arthur with Rudy Winston from Canon ?

    If not:
    http://www.birdsasart-blog.com/2016/...ons-and-yours/

    But to Artie one question, what does EC means ???
    artie note: I firmly believe that–for many reasons–folks should stay as far away as possible from using EC when they are working in Manual mode.
    @Joe: Do you really believe, that the pixel correction does make serious sense for us telephoto lens users?
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    Exposure Compensation

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    Hey Pierre, Thank you very much. thats it.
    Hope you THREE were all fine !?

    Add:
    Here is a swedish example for pixel correction:

    http://www.kamerabild.se/tester/vi-h...-iv?nodePage=3

    It could make sense ;)
    i have sold my 5DsR yesterday .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Dienesch View Post
    Did somebody has mentioned (here) the interview from Arthur with Rudy Winston from Canon ?

    If not:
    http://www.birdsasart-blog.com/2016/...ons-and-yours/

    But to Artie one question, what does EC means ???


    @Joe: Do you really believe, that the pixel correction does make serious sense for us telephoto lens users?
    Thanks Eric. Not sure why you would think that. EC is exposure compensation...

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