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    Default Roadside Wild Burros

    I lucked upon this group on a dirt road while searching for other target opportunities.

    WB, shadows and highlights, NR, sharpening, crop to size, white point and black point adjust

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    Canon 7D Mark II
    EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM
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    ss 1/500
    f/5.6
    ISO 160
    HH from car window.

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    Hi John - Another species we don't often (if ever) see on here. Nice to see a grouping too. How much shadow and highlight recovery did you apply? If it were mine I would give the midtones a boost. I would also consider cropping down from the top to eliminate the band of reddish sand/plants at the top. I would also back off the sharpening on the vegetation in the fg. Keep them coming.

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    Hi John, I would suggest you never apply NR to any image below 1600 ISO, certainly for the 7D MKII, there should be minimal noise and a perhaps a bad habit to fall into IMHO. I don't apply anything below 3200 on the 1DX and now even higher with the MKII's. I agree with Rachel's observations, but suggest if you use LR or ACR then use a Graduate Filter to bring more depth across the sandy part/vegetation in the FG. The LHS subject looks/appears odd and probably through PP.

    I suggest you upped the ISO to 400 or even 800 to get more SS and you could then afford to have more DoF, say f/9. If you have it, a tad more room on the RHS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Hollander View Post
    Hi John - Another species we don't often (if ever) see on here. Nice to see a grouping too. How much shadow and highlight recovery did you apply? If it were mine I would give the midtones a boost. I would also consider cropping down from the top to eliminate the band of reddish sand/plants at the top. I would also back off the sharpening on the vegetation in the fg. Keep them coming.

    TFS,
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    Thank you Rachel. I was considering cropping tighter on top and bottom. Strong shadow recovery, light highlight recovery. I will give the midtones a boost to see what it does. I need to work more on selective sharpening. I sharpened globally. Glad to provide some rarely seen species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Kaluski View Post
    Hi John, I would suggest you never apply NR to any image below 1600 ISO, certainly for the 7D MKII, there should be minimal noise and a perhaps a bad habit to fall into IMHO. I don't apply anything below 3200 on the 1DX and now even higher with the MKII's. I agree with Rachel's observations, but suggest if you use LR or ACR then use a Graduate Filter to bring more depth across the sandy part/vegetation in the FG. The LHS subject looks/appears odd and probably through PP.

    I suggest you upped the ISO to 400 or even 800 to get more SS and you could then afford to have more DoF, say f/9. If you have it, a tad more room on the RHS.

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    Thanks Steve, I will go with your suggestion to see what I get on the NR. I think there maybe too much sharpening in this image. The left hand subject looks the most affected. Definitely crop space to the right.

    I set my shutter speed and aperture and then use auto ISO. I still am in the mindset of sealing with the 7D and its noise issues. I need to get a better exposure on my subjects I think.

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    Strong shadow recovery, light highlight recovery.
    John, you need to constantly review your Histogram and use ETTR to avoid this. The basis for any good image is to have a well exposed image, in doing so any PP require will usually be minimal and the image will retain both IQ and look far better.

    John, if you use dropbox for File transfers then upload the Raw to both Rachel & myself, as we are happy to then add some pointers if that helps? As Rachel has the same camera body I'm sure her thoughts would be very beneficial.

    John I'm not sure how well Auto ISO works for the 7D, I think you are better to set things manually, as it could lead you down the wrong path perhaps? I might use it depending on the situation with the 1DX MKII, but I trust it and know it works dependent on the scene.
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    Another attempt. Backed off the shadow recovery and cropped tighter and more inline with my initial inclination. Selectively sharpened the subjects. Added space on right and a little on left too. No NR. Forgot to mention removal of fence posts.

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    Well John, what do YOU think, better or worse than the OP, is it an improvement??? If it's an improvement then what do you like about it? I have a reason for asking .

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    I like the crop, just seems to concentrate more on the burros. I like that the left subject looks better. Foreground plants look cleaner and less obvious. Right side is less crowded.

    Otherwise I feel it is about equal.

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    Hi John, what I was hoping was that you can see the difference things made and so you can build on your learning. Also just because we may suggest things you may wish to disagree and so you have a better grasp of the image and how you wish things to look/be portrayed.

    I think perhaps another 3/4 inch at the top would help, likewise I know you can get more detail from the FG vegetation, but good to see things progressing and I'm pleased that you had time to do a RP, it's all working.

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    Thanks Steve. Sharpening was limited to the burros.

    I sent you and Rachel a link to this RAW in dropbox in a PM.

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    A very nice image and an informative post. I like the repost more than the first and only becasue it was mentioned would I consider the foreground, it is incidental yet at the same time it has some interest tat does not detract from the burros.

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    Thank you Jonathan. It is remarkable how much detail is available in a shot and how it can affect the overall image.

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    HI John -- Thank you for your RP , as it really gave a nice view of what Rachel and Steve were suggesting . Your RP is an improvement from the OP and i would like to see your next post after all the suggestions you received .

    TFS !

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    Thank you Haseeb.

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    Late to this one John. Are these a species of wild donkey? Where are they found?
    I like your repost - I even think you can tease more out of the subjects when it comes to midtones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morkel Erasmus View Post
    Late to this one John. Are these a species of wild donkey? Where are they found?
    I like your repost - I even think you can tease more out of the subjects when it comes to midtones.
    Thank you Morkel. They are wild donkeys. "Burro" is used west of the Mississippi River in the US. I found these just north of Pyramid Lake, Nevada.

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    Hi John always great to see something different , i cannot remember seeing an image posted here , so well done .
    I like the RP more on all counts and i am fine with it as presented .
    Keep them coming

    TFS Andreas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Hi John always great to see something different , i cannot remember seeing an image posted here , so well done .
    I like the RP more on all counts and i am fine with it as presented .
    Keep them coming

    TFS Andreas
    Thank you Andreas.

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