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    Huge thanks for all previous thoughts and the massive help and inspirations given here!!


    Hmm the frame prior to this should be in this months theme,sadly it's destined for the bin,see my post on glasses general discussion. but fortunately I realised I had an obstruction close up which gave me just enough time to grab a set of frames as he caught my scent.

    This may well be the same young man you have seen previously,only this time taken just after dawn sadly in the shade.He's a big ol'boy and utterly resplendent at the moment I have really tried to keep colours to what I saw,he is very orange, in the sun he glows,I have done nothing to colour at all. Still just processed in DPP. But I suspect some might find the frame unatural looking,if so and there is a hint of it being my doing via my processing i'd love to hear more because my goal is to try and get my colour as close as possible to what i'm seeing through the viewfinder.
    He's just spent the last ten or so minutes having a wash and brush up good scratch: the works i've been with him at this range for a while now,but know I am playing with fire as what little breeze there is is slightly at my back,suddenly he stops turns almost reaching for the scent trail and that is what you see here,seconds later he's gone.

    Crop is around 75 80% maybe more,essentially cropped on all sides to make him slightly bigger in frame and ridding myself of bright sky to the left,which I felt was losing me something in this case,but essentially the comp is the same,I just needed o be a bit closer,but knew I was pushing my luck anyway as was proven out.

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    slight drop in exposure pulled highlights back by 2 black and white points moved in gamma and reset midpoint picture style finedetail slight sharpening in dpp for web,which I won't do later on when I have ps. Lying prone shot off the elbow HH

    take care all thanks for everything

    Stu

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    Hi Stu - Sorry but this one isn't really working for me. The hare, particularly the head, looks a bit soft and its placement in frame for me is wrong. With it looking to the right, I want more space in that direction so I would have placed the hare in the lower left corner not the lower right. That probably would have eliminated the brighter area on the left which is drawing the eye. Also overall, the frame just feels a bit dark. The only way to improve is to keep shooting and processing so don't let my critique stop you.

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    Very cute subject and I like the hesitant pose from him, Stu.

    Rachel covered a number of issues above, some of those you could perhaps fix with careful selective PP work. Dropping exposure might have helped with the brighter areas at the top but the subject needs life, and by that I mean more light - I would love to see this Hare's red fur glow and that much needed detail would show beautifully. Not sure about your use of gamma though, especially when applied to the entire image.

    I tried to RP but the IQ did not take my heavy crop well, here it is anyway. I do not like the FG and I am sure you now see the problem there too, perhaps in the future try become more aware of the immediate surroundings of your subjects (trees, grasses, man-made elements, one example here is the L front foot of the Hare which is "buried" in the FG ). You obviously saw the entire scene very well, in painter-like fashion, but omitted the detail the photographer in you needs to see:) And I know it is difficult to shoot those skittish creatures but taking images at various settings and just capturing them as they move around often helps, you might get a winner in-between. Changing position for a better perspective gives you different and exciting images to work with.

    In other words, keep experimenting! This image does not grab me as your previous, IMO the recipe for success is to work and enhance what you have in terms of light, setting and subject in order to create something completely new. I could be wrong but I feel you were trying to create a frame with a similar "feel" as the previous - not possible, that was so special and so unique, never to be repeated again:)

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    Hi Stu, perhaps a 16x9 crop might suit, coming in a bit on the left and loosing more off the top???

    I think the Exposure needs to be opened up, likewise sorting the Black & White points, that would be a starting point as it looks very flat and to a point, dark. Yes the subject does look soft, but you should have got a better image based on the techs. If you are using back button focus then you should be set, or something is wrong???


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    Hi Stu,did wonder about it being dark as if you were trying to capture the light mood at the time,it's something I like to play with especially Owls in the dark and wet which I sometimes get right.Think Gabriela's repost looks better but would love to see it with more space around.Do like the sniffing pose saying i'm out of here.
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    Stu, With my lack of knowledge of this craft, I seem to find myself often being the odd man out. There are general rules of composition that I understand and know the rabbit is not in the ideal spot to adhere to the rules. But, I love the image! He's on a road sniffing the air for that strange scent, one leg raised, just in case he needs to flee down that road. He is facing forward, but facing back. He has room to run. I might take a slice off the top...and maybe add a tiny tad on the bottom. .As far as techs go...not much help. But I did notice the Mandarin duck posted in ETL had the same look, just a little flat.

    All the comments above are interesting to me and the people posting have great eyes and skill. We are indeed lucky to have these teachers Stu!

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    Hi Stu -- Sorry but i too agree with the observations made above . But i feel is , these type of images helps you in bringing out the best in you when out in the field again . You are certainly improving day by day and this post of yours will encourage you to practice more and bring out better results in the future .

    TFS !

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    You are certainly improving day by day and this post of yours will encourage you to practice more and bring out better results in the future .

    Well said Haseeb!!!

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    Everyone thank you for your thoughts,guys first up I have come here to try and learn I so appreciate your kind honesty,each of your posts I'm grateful for and yes Glennie I have always felt incredibly fortunate that folks here give me so much of their time,their expertise is so obvious!!

    Guys,I feel I need to explore my processing of this,I have pulled exposure back, and maybe have been too heavy handed in gamma. He was framed like this as he was looking the other way,but just as I was ready to shoot caught my sent reached for it, and within seconds was off. Steve BB focus, BUT !!! focus point is on the top of the foreleg/chest area not the eye. My bad is this the cause of your concern. The minute he changed position hence active focus point being wrong I knew I was rumbled and tried to get something,but i'd always blame pilot error rather than my gear, I simply am not of an expertise to question the gear rather than me: I have to be the weak link !

    So Rachel, that is why he is looking out of frame. I felt as his body was facing the other way this might or might not be of concern,,as I say the replies give me food for thought he did go off in the other direction as expected which really is meaningless here,but it's a good and fair comment to make and appreciated.


    Gabriela thanks not only for the informative comments but also the repost,IQ is not there and now I can see that. The pointers on details a photographer has to get tuned into are of huge benefit very very useful thank you!! I couldn't really move myself,but really was playing the waiting game Ahh i'd love to be able to take pictures like the last all the time,but no that was not my intention here, my prayers were simply for him to move into the just after dawn sunlight with the sun at my back, and just above frozen ground/heavy dew to work off. It just wasn't to be, there would have been no man made elements in those pictures if they had of come to fruition.


    Keith Glennie cheers both , the pose is why I posted,I did bottle the one notch of colour sauration I had put in in to my original edit just before making the jpeg :I thought as he is so orange he would look overdone/artificial. This may or may not be a contributing factor in the flat look I am completely unsure, he is in the shade,but maybe I should trust myself a bit more ??


    Ahh guys i've learnt a huge amount from your comments, he lives close I will hopefully have more chances and hopefully be able to impliment some of this and with time maybe all. I've taken nothing but postativity from this


    Finally Haseeb thankyou, you have hit the nail squarely on the head my friend,although I feel very kind.

    take care everyone

    Stu

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    Hi Stuart,

    you got lots of feedback already in this thread.

    Sometimes it is good when an animal looks out of the "window" like your hare. We want to send a message out to the viewers. Sadly in this image I do not see one. There are certainly images which on the globe sending powerful messages out with such.

    Just continue experimenting with compositions, rules are there to be broken! Thinking outside of the box

    Have much fun out in the about, enjoy

    In this forum you learn a lot.

    Have a great day

    Ciao Anette

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anette Mossbacher View Post
    Hi Stuart,

    you got lots of feedback already in this thread.

    Sometimes it is good when an animal looks out of the "window" like your hare. We want to send a message out to the viewers. Sadly in this image I do not see one. There are certainly images which on the globe sending powerful messages out with such.

    Just continue experimenting with compositions, rules are there to be broken! Thinking outside of the box

    Have much fun out in the about, enjoy

    In this forum you learn a lot.

    Have a great day

    Ciao Anette
    Hello Anette thank you so much for taking the time to comment,yes you are right here I have already learned much ,and feel much more is to come.. I love doing this Anette sure it's frustrating at times that my expertise isn't such to make the most of the chances I give myself,but it just makes me want to try harder.

    Ha ha half the time I don't know where the box is so am often outside it. But yes in this case that base concept of giving the subject room to look into I am aware of,but hey even if I didn't get this one right look at how much I've been given to muse,i'm thrilled , to be able to take all this and try to move forwards with it

    Take care Anette,thanks again

    Stu

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    Stuart I love the low angle and the pose of the hare here. I just feel you placed it in the "wrong spot" given where it's gazing.
    Gabriela's crop is an option but it doesn't seem the original file IQ can handle it?
    I agree with Haseeb & Steve - you are working hard and it's showing!
    I'd be happy to work up the RAW file for you as well - you can send via Dropbox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morkel Erasmus View Post
    Stuart I love the low angle and the pose of the hare here. I just feel you placed it in the "wrong spot" given where it's gazing.
    Gabriela's crop is an option but it doesn't seem the original file IQ can handle it?
    I agree with Haseeb & Steve - you are working hard and it's showing!
    I'd be happy to work up the RAW file for you as well - you can send via Dropbox.
    Morkel,sorry off topic,but with me being so madningly busy and a complete idiot with computers,did you get my reply to the kind message you sent me ( it's very important to me that you did get that reply mate)?

    Thank you so much for the kind offer in that message and again here buddy. Morkel,my IQ obviously isn't up to scratch in this image,i've had a hard self critical look at the raw,so would it be ok when I get something of a bit higher quality,that you have a go then ? You good folks are all busy and yet still bestow so much on me I wouldn't want to waste your time with something that isn't in the ball park. But I'd absolutely adore it once I have something that we feel is really worth you getting stuck into. I hope that won't take too long.

    Morkel we have aquired a lot of images last week I had a few days off,I have barely even looked at them as of yet. I pushed the boat out a bit burning the candle both ends to make the chances happen,but I have at the very least a contribution for our theme this month,too cute for grown men,but hey what can I say

    huge thanks for the kindness

    take care

    Stu

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    Beautiful image ....... Love the Bg and the light here, ..... I love the RP and Crop of Gabriela Plesea also .....

    Thanks for shearing .....


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