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    This solitary bird was with a pair of Blue-headed Vireos in my yard. The reddish-brown feet, wing bars and white eye ring are good ID markings, but I can't seem to locate it. Comments will be most appreciated. Thank you.

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    Looks like a ruby-crowned kinglet to me.


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    Thank you, Michael. No wonder I couldn't find it. I was looking at warblers in my guides. It checks out to be a Ruby-crowned with a commonly hidden top notch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan J. Weber View Post
    Thank you, Michael. No wonder I couldn't find it. I was looking at warblers in my guides. It checks out to be a Ruby-crowned with a commonly hidden top notch.

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    Certainly, Jonathan. Glad I could help!


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    Definitely Ruby-crowned Kinglet. Look at the tiny bill, short stump stature, and eyering vs. spectacles which you'd find on a Blue-headed Vireo.

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    Here are two more birds I'm not sure about. They showed together in the woods late last evening.

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    After seeing a few warblers feeding this morning, the second bird appears to be a Myrtle Warbler.

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    Not sure on the first bird. I'm leaning towards Orange-crowned. Do you have any other photos? Also ease up on the sharpening a bit. I think it may be killing the subtlety of color transitions on the bird.

    The second bird looks good for Palm. The yellow on the flanks and undertail is wrong for Myrtle.

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    Paul,

    These are from differentl frames of the first bird, straight out of camera, except for cropping in the second photo - no sharpening. I'm using Picasa3.

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    Looks like Orange-crowned. Take a look at the BirdFellow ID photos, especially #11, 12, 17, and 18.

    http://www.birdfellow.com/birds/oran...lata#/idPhotos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan J. Weber View Post
    After seeing a few warblers feeding this morning, the second bird appears to be a Myrtle Warbler.

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    The second bird is surely a Palm Warbler. I think :) a
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    And I think that the first one is a Tennessee...
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    Art, I have two major issues with this bird as Tennessee. The first is the obvious white eye arcs. This seems to be a mark that is much more in favor of Orange-crowned. The second is what appears to be strongly yellow undertail coverts. The pictures are the best for assessing this but the undertail does seem to have the brightest yellow on the entire bird. This is consistent with Orange-crowned as compared to Tennessee which would normally have white undertail coverts.

    I did a bit of digging and here are two good articles on separation of fall Tennessee and Orange-crowned.

    http://ebird.org/content/wi/news/tri...owned-warbler/
    http://www.nemesisbird.com/news/phot...owned-warbler/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Guris View Post
    Art, I have two major issues with this bird as Tennessee. The first is the obvious white eye arcs. This seems to be a mark that is much more in favor of Orange-crowned. The second is what appears to be strongly yellow undertail coverts. The pictures are the best for assessing this but the undertail does seem to have the brightest yellow on the entire bird. This is consistent with Orange-crowned as compared to Tennessee which would normally have white undertail coverts.

    I did a bit of digging and here are two good articles on separation of fall Tennessee and Orange-crowned.

    http://ebird.org/content/wi/news/tri...owned-warbler/
    http://www.nemesisbird.com/news/phot...owned-warbler/
    You are right about not a Tennessee. It has been a long time away from the Warblers for me. The bird in question is surely not an Orange-crowned as far as I can tell. They always show a blurry streaking on the breast and flanks. When I said "Tennessee," I should have said Nashville. With its grey-headed look I am pretty sure that that is what the second bird is.

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    I'm not real happy with the doubly broken eyering (front and back), extent of gray coming down the face, and overall coloration for Nashville. I don't see the lack of dull streaking as a disqualifier for Orange-crowned. This is a highly variable mark across age, where, subspecies, and just plain individual variation. Here are examples of images of Orange-crowneds where the streaking doesn't appear to be present or is very faint, and these are much higher quality shots than the one we're trying to assess.

    http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1408/1...7695c29a1b.jpg
    http://birdwatchersdigest.com/bwdsit...8085334066.jpg
    http://www.birdvancouver.com/images/...stra_aug13.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...d_warbler1.jpg
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-93Gcqm9mDo...%2B11%2529.jpg
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PCbG9-HAHO...1600/ocwa3.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Guris View Post
    Looks like Orange-crowned. Take a look at the BirdFellow ID photos, especially #11, 12, 17, and 18.

    http://www.birdfellow.com/birds/oran...lata#/idPhotos
    None of the #s that you cite show a bird with a contrasting grey head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Guris View Post
    I'm not real happy with the doubly broken eyering (front and back), extent of gray coming down the face, and overall coloration for Nashville. I don't see the lack of dull streaking as a disqualifier for Orange-crowned. This is a highly variable mark across age, where, subspecies, and just plain individual variation. Here are examples of images of Orange-crowneds where the streaking doesn't appear to be present or is very faint, and these are much higher quality shots than the one we're trying to assess.

    http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1408/1...7695c29a1b.jpg
    http://birdwatchersdigest.com/bwdsit...8085334066.jpg
    http://www.birdvancouver.com/images/...stra_aug13.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...d_warbler1.jpg
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-93Gcqm9mDo...%2B11%2529.jpg
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PCbG9-HAHO...1600/ocwa3.jpg
    Hi Paul,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Hi Paul,

    You might be right. You might be wrong.

    I'm never wrong! Wait. Look! There's a penguin in my pond! I'm sure of it!

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    I just bounced this off of Dave Irons and Shawneen Finnegan, two top notch birders who live in Oregon who live with Orange-crowneds throughout the year. (Well, not literally.) David's reply was a simple "absolutely an Orange-crowned." I'd be glad to send it out to a few other folks especially if there are specific questions.

    I think Orange-crowneds are an under appreciated bird in the U.S. because they're not as snazzy as the other species. They have several races ranging from dull as all get-out to a bright greenish with a bluish gray head to bright greenish yellow all over. The Channel Islands race has a really pointed and curved bill, reminding me of some of the Hawaiian endemics. And once you get into fall plumages, it seems that every gap in between gets filled. They also have a greater ability to overwinter than most other warbler species. They really are cool little birds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Guris View Post
    I just bounced this off of Dave Irons and Shawneen Finnegan, two top notch birders who live in Oregon who live with Orange-crowneds throughout the year. (Well, not literally.) David's reply was a simple "absolutely an Orange-crowned." I'd be glad to send it out to a few other folks especially if there are specific questions.

    I think Orange-crowneds are an under appreciated bird in the U.S. because they're not as snazzy as the other species. They have several races ranging from dull as all get-out to a bright greenish with a bluish gray head to bright greenish yellow all over. The Channel Islands race has a really pointed and curved bill, reminding me of some of the Hawaiian endemics. And once you get into fall plumages, it seems that every gap in between gets filled. They also have a greater ability to overwinter than most other warbler species. They really are cool little birds.
    Thanks. What did Shawneen say? a
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    Actually Dave and Shawneen are a package deal. She's the one who told us that Dave is almost as good as any birder she knows. They've actually been living together for years and we'll be attending their wedding in June!

    This wedding visit is gonna' be tough. If we take a week when we go out for the wedding in Portland, OR, we have to balance our time between the wedding, great beer, great coffee, great seafood, great birding, and great photo opportunities. Uh, oh. I think my head just exploded. (And while I have you on the line, got any hints for where to go for good photo opps out that way? Is Malheur NWR really all that and a bag o' chips as some people have said?)

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    Mazel tov. I knew her back in the Cape May days when she was hanging with another pretty good birder. I have not photographed much out there. I am pretty sure that it is best in winter for the big flocks of geese...
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