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    Default My first "Martino" (Italian KingFisher)

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    This was the first ever "Martino"

    Hours and hours of waiting (five in all!) but in the end ... Success!

    Is not a perfect photo but it was really a great happiness after months and months of research of the subject!

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    Canon 1D Mark IIn + Canon 400 f/5.6 L
    1/320 di sec. ISO 1000
    processing raw by CS6 + Gimp

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    Welcome to BPN

    I like the beautiful BG and the pose, what a colorful bird. Unfortunately the IQ is a bit poor here, the bird is a bit soft, noisy and lacks details.

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    It looks the same as our Common Kingfisher in the UK - and if it is anything like ours they can be quite skittish and unpredictable if they have not become habituated to people. So well done in 'stalking' it and getting this image. I recall my first success with them and I have kept the photo for sentimental reasons even though I have got superior images since.

    Was it handheld? I am not sure if the IQ is down to camera shake or the degree of cropping on the MkII though from the detail on the branch I suspect it is a combination.

    Of course, the next challenge is to get it diving .

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    Diving? elllaaaaa ..... "hovering"

    Yes this image is a my first Martin Pescatore" images.

    Low quality? unfortunately but:
    A) poor light (18:03 o'clock - 07 September 2014)
    B) ISO 1000
    C) distance (look at original image)
    D) Probably the excitement for having photographed the first time

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    Hi Gianluca. Welcome to BPN. Good capture. When I first joined this site I posted my images in the Eager to Learn forum, and that way you will get a lots of feedback on how to make them better

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    It 's my same reason.


    In Italy unfortunately no longer exist ONLY forum dedicated to photographs of birds / nature

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gianluca Molina View Post
    It 's my same reason.


    In Italy unfortunately no longer exist ONLY forum dedicated to photographs of birds / nature
    http://www.birdphotographers.net/for...Eager-To-Learn

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    This image still have a bit of potential considering the beautiful background. Since details is lacking when cropping I would go outside the box and do a "birdscape" type of image by placing the bird a bit to the left looking into the right part of the frame.

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    Thanks for posting the original, light wasn't bad at all here and gave soft tones to the BG.

    The image quality is poor because it is huge crop made with a relatively low-mega pixel camera that didn't do well with high ISO. In order to overcome this you can either try to get closer to the subject (use a blind or a vehicle if possible and get close to the KF). you can also use a longer lens (such as 500 or 600 with a TC) it will bring the subject a lot closer, or alternatively use a camera body with a modern sensor that can handle high ISO and has more resolution.

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    Yes, in fact I had also developed a second version:

    No excessive crop
    For inquadrature i used the branch in front


    Your opinions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arash_hazeghi View Post
    you can also use a longer lens (such as 500 or 600 with a TC) it will bring the subject a lot closer, or alternatively use a camera body with a modern sensor that can handle high ISO and has more resolution.
    excellent alternatives but both will have to win the lottery hahhahhaha

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    I think the last version is just fine - the intensity of the bird's colours offsets the relatively large area of pastels of the background very well so this is classic case of 'less is more' (cropping wise). The bird is perched so if you have chance in the future a 1.4x tc will work OK.

    Great lighting, though.

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    Arash - this is as much a question for myself as anything: do you think an interpolation program would help or is that all done as good as it can be when cropping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hitchen View Post
    Arash - this is as much a question for myself as anything: do you think an interpolation program would help or is that all done as good as it can be when cropping?
    I think CS6 down sampling is pretty good. the KF is barely 10% of the frame, that is less than 1Mpixeld for a 8 Mpixel camera, there just isn't much detail there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gianluca Molina View Post
    excellent alternatives but both will have to win the lottery hahhahhaha
    the super-telephoto lenses aren't cheap but have you considered a 7D MK II? in this situation it would have likely given you a keeper file with much better detail and lower noise. You can even add a 1.4X to your 400 f/5.6 and it will still AF. not the sharpest combo but would be much better than this

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    Hello everyone.
    Since I do not have much budget available was considering selling the 400L f / 5.6 and buy the Tamron 150/600.


    Alternative: sell the EOS 1D Mark IIn and take a 7D OLD.
    The new 7D II, in Italy, has a cost of more than € 1500 .....


    I already have a Canon 1.4x extender: in this situation because I had taken apart, if you see, I was already at a 1/320 exposure to ISO 1000 with f / 5.6 .... if I had f / 8 probably l 'image would move

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    The 400 f5.6 is recognised as one of the gems of the Canon range so I am not sure changing to the 150-600 would be a huge benefit. Any review I have read suggests it tends to soften a bit above 500mm, so assuming 500mm is the optimum you will be enlarging the kingfisher on the sensor by 25% over the Canon lens which is not a big difference IMO.
    But changing the 1D MkIIn to 7D you will have twice as many pixels on the bird - which means a 40% along each axis. And the 7D will autofocus at f8 in decent light.

    Below is a shot I took of a kingfisher preening with the 7D with the 100-400 (original) at 400mm, f5.6, 1/350 sec at ISO 1600 - I have shown the original unprocessed and the processed/crop. I had deliberately underexposed it to get a higher shutter speed which brings out a bit more noise than I would have liked but for personal viewing the quality is bearable and a bit more work would help (this was done in Lightroom).

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    Uhm... but this photo shotting witch a new 7D mark II or old 7D ?


    Wicth old 7d and 400L f/5.6 + x1,4 the AF is dead or live?

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    That was the original 7D.
    That photo itself was with the 400mm at f5.6+1.4x Tamron tc - I only found out last season that the thing would AF with a tc and the images below were AF at 560mm 1/750sec, f8 ISO800. But as before, you need good light to be most effective.
    Kingfishers are in some ways predictable - if they find a good fishing spot they will stay there some time and if you see they prefer a certain area under a branch you can pre-fcous and improve hit rate when they dive. I am getting better at that one!

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    You convinced me!
    On sale the 1D IIn and I try to buy a 7D "old"

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    I hope it works out for you.
    With little critters like this, no matter what the pixel count is in your body the most important 'tool' you can have is fieldcraft - understanding how they behave and how to get closer, and it can save you a LOT of money. You seem to be on the right lines with you research and patience and at times it makes even getting one shot worthwhile.

    I look forward to seeing the photos!
    (By the way, Arash has written a very clear and easy to follow guide on how to process images using Canon's own free software and I have started to use DPP a bit more as a result).

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    Questo giorno trasmetto nuova immagine di "Gruccione" (Merops apiaster) :)


    Si prega di legare della guida DPP Canon, thanks and by

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