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    Hi all a title for Dumay and Steve who became puzzled by my "creative title work". Any better guys ?

    I have set up my system new to the latest OS X , thinking it would be a step forward ...... well not really . Some stuff like printer , dual screen and other stuff not working smoothly . PS working slower !!! Hope this will be fixed soon by Mr Apple . After research on the web , i am not alone with this and that .
    Regarding the image , it is taken in Jasper NP in Canada right next to the dump station of the town Jasper , the people who worked there looked strange at me while i parked my van right next to the entrance where the Elks were feeding .

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    F 5,6 ; Iso 3200 ; 1/500 sec ; AV ; +0,7 EV

    Processed with DPP 4 ; Fuji Provia preset ; PS for local contrast and web sharpening . No luminance NR at any stage .Cropped for comp, little gardening in BKG

    Thanks for looking and commenting to my previous thread . C&C welcome.

    Cheers Andreas

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    How about "It Takes a Little Food to Make an Elk Happy"?

    A colourful, vivid image with lots of detail on the subject. Looks great, especially when no NR applied, and 1/500s worked well for you, I am too afraid to shoot anything that is moving below 1/1000s. BG busy but the colours fit the subject - I do love those rich browns. I would take a bit off the top but that is really nit-picking. Sharpening is just right Andreas, so is the comp.

    So here it is, short and sweet...very unlike me, but perhaps you got bored with my stories and my vivid imagination:)

    Warmest regards, hope you have a fabulous week-end,
    Gabriela Plesea

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    Dinner break at the Dump, Andreas! I can only dream of the day when I get a shot as sharp as this! I like the clarity of the mouth, tongue, and his eye is bright.

    A question please? Is it acceptable that the ears are not as sharp as the rest of him? I am not sure really how to ask that question?

    I like the background as well, it doesn't distract from the elk

    Kind regards, Charleen

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    Hello Andreas,

    I had to laugh so much when I was reading the comments above lololololol and best Charleen's question with the ears. I would have jumped on it right away. F/5.6, I assume your car seat as well dialled that in on purpose to give us something to comment on For me it looks like you forgot to sharpen the ear properly or the 5.6 is that bad for the ear. I actually do not mind that, but I had to mention it to the tech nech guy in here
    No noise, excuse me, I see quite a bit noise when I push hard enough my nose against the screen, whoops need to clean that!

    Very nice details as I always expect from you and the majesties in this wildlife forum.

    And the eye again, you are an eye doc on the side. Overall I like the image, even that it was taken beside a dump

    Have a great eve

    Ciao
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    Thanks ladies for your very quick replies , much appreciated .

    Dear Gabriela i actually never become bored by your fabulous replies , always fun to read !! So please go back to track and fill your answers with life .Same to you and Andre regarding week end , and kick his b... to get him to the machine and post some stuff . I know there is a lot of it .

    Charleen it is good question and very subjective thing , in an ideal world a bit more DOF would not have hurt to get the ears as sharp as the face , but due to 5,6 F stop there is not more . As long as the most important stuff is in the focal pane i am personally fine with it as is , but it could be better !!!

    Hope this helps , thanks again Andreas

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    Hi Anette thank you for your time and your giggles ,i hope one day we could sit together and watch /comment postings here on BPN ........... but do not know if that will be good .
    I really tried hard to avoid noise by not applying any NR to the image , and you find noise . And i really tried to exclude the ears from sharpening at all stages , i even get it working in DPP , and then you say they should be sharp . I am frustrated , but i say it is fine for me .

    Back to business again thanks for your kind comments , yours DED . ( Digital Eye Doctor )

    Have a great weekend , cheers Andreas

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    Hi Andreas - Great eating pose with the open mouth and visible tongue. Nice autumn tones and excellent detail. A little more dof might have been preferable but not a deal breaker for me.

    TFS,
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    Hi Andreas

    The image is as boring as the title Just kidding!!! Good details and textures, I especially like the eye. I feel there is a little too much room on top and the single branch on the lower neck area a little distracting. I am seeing grain in the BG but we have had the discussion about NR. I feel the image needs it...you probably don't.

    BTW, I actually liked your titles I just wasn't sure how you were coming up with them.

    Also I would never start my title with 'This is a'

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    Dumay, I think this time Andreas is pulling our (not so grey) socks with this title
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    Thanks Rachel and Dumay for your comments , much appreciated.
    Yes the socks came into play , and when i am looking for title i just use the one that jumps at me , i do not think that long about it , i would call this a gutt feeling . Specially when the title seems to be a bit strange to others .

    I will stick with the crop cause i do not want to squeeze the animal in the frame. The twig is not ideal , but as it is in a not important area i leave it in . Not much i can do apart from cloning and i do find cloning in parts like sharp fur very difficult without leaving a sign of cloning . In the veld no choice of avoiding this .
    Regarding the grain , i really like this when i have some sort of texture , i guess this is coming from using film in the past , when the media itself had more character and life . In todays world i do find the image itself has less character , even i do not want the old times back ! Today i can shoot under less ideal situations than in the analog times . Always a price to pay .
    It is like listening to a analog record with all the side effects and listening to MP 3 or CD , they do sound too sterile from my POV . Mostly i listen to CD or MP 3 , but i still have my high end record player and i love the more natural sounding sound from time to time , then it is a kind of highlight .

    If i try to blur the BG by NR i think i would loose the fine eye lashes as marked in the RP , unless i exclude them from the NR . AS i already said i hardly use any NR under 6400 ISO , but this just my view of it .

    Anyhow always good to discuss stuff like this .

    Cheers Andreas

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    I like the overall quality and detail you've extracted here Andreas, even if the BG is a little busy, not much one can do with that here.

    Agree on your NR philosophy where in most cases like yourself I try not to use any BG NR under 6400, but sometimes depends on getting that perfect exposure .

    If you put as much work into the title as your image then there would be no issue!

    TFS
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    Andreas what I usually do is selectively sharpen the subject incl. the whiskers, I then select inverse of the selected area and then run NR over the BG incl. the whiskers I have already sharpened and I find the detail holds. Just a suggestion!

    Gabriela...You are soooooo' right...he loves to pull our socks
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    Do you do that on the downsized web image or on the master file . either way i would be very interested how you make the first selection of the fine hairs as targeted in my image , not talking about the thick whiskers of cats . For demo you could just post the mask , i do a lot of masking and have different tools and techniques but this is hard to get specially when there is not much tonal difference . Fully understand your way , but would still keep my "noisy" BG. I am eager to learn something new in terms of masking .

    But what i do not understand is if you select the subject and sharpen , then inverse the section the hairs should be excluded from that selection unless you blur the mask .

    Anyhow i am curious what you come up with ?

    Thanks in advance , Andreas

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