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    I've done the necessary pp with some noise remaining on the bird (I had to push the ISO's as it was in the shade, much darker than it looks in the image). I was wondering - is it possible to remove the noise on the bird without loosing feather detail? Specifically with LR / PS?

    USM on bird & blur on BG done in PS.

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    Thanks in advance for C & C's / advice.

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    The best you can do is try. I have varying results with different images with NeatImage, Nik's Dfine and Topaz DeNoise. You can mask to just the bird if it flattens other areas too much, but it sounds like there isn't detail there anyway. One or all of those can often do an amazing job of removing noise without blurring detail, but they can be most effective before other processing if you use auto settings that rely on camera profiles for ISO.

    The image may have been posted only for the noise question, but a couple of thoughts: This is an image that could be treated like the portraits where the top of the head is cut off. You could crop out the distracting stuff at the top and still have the flower be prominent. And it looks like it would be possible to remove the "floating" yellow blossom near the right edge. The crop feels tight on the left, also. You have a nice shot of the bird.

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    Thanks Diane. I have downloaded Topaz DeNoise's trial version and if it seems to be worthwhile, I'll buy the package.

    Your other comments are valid, thanks. I might just increase the blur to get rid of the distractions at the top.

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    The colors and shapes up there are so prominent, I'd be surprised if anything but extreme blur would fix it. You'd have to very carefully mask the flower and bird, and put them on a layer above, but it could probably be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane Miller View Post
    The colors and shapes up there are so prominent, I'd be surprised if anything but extreme blur would fix it. You'd have to very carefully mask the flower and bird, and put them on a layer above, but it could probably be done.
    Thanks Diane. The bird is my main concern at this stage. All I can do is try...

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    Best advice: avoid photographing subjects and scenes with mixed light, i.e., with both sun and shade.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Best advice: avoid photographing subjects and scenes with mixed light, i.e., with both sun and shade.....
    If only that was possible Arthur. It probably is but then I'll have very few pics in my albums.

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    Perhaps if you spent less time photographing birds in bright sun and in mixed light you could find some in the shade. Do you have many cloudy days where you live? I remember when I started nearly 31 years ago that I thought that sunny with blue skies was good photography weather; it is not except for the first and last two hours of light....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    Perhaps if you spent less time photographing birds in bright sun and in mixed light you could find some in the shade. Do you have many cloudy days where you live? I remember when I started nearly 31 years ago that I thought that sunny with blue skies was good photography weather; it is not except for the first and last two hours of light....
    From May - August yoiur chances of seeing clouds in Limpopo are very slim, Arthur. One of the reasons this place is called 'Sunny South Africa'. The photo in question was taken at 7h55 am. The sun was only starting to show it's real colours...

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    In that case you need to strive to work right on sun angle with the sun coming right over the top of your head. And you can choose subjects that are fully lit by the sun rather than partially lit as the bird in the image here. Or not. Shadows on the subject are almost always image wreckers. As here.
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    Just to wrap up: I've played with various sliders in Topaz DeNoise and it did not have the slightest influence on the noise in the bird so I guess it's as good as can be...

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    Your bird is a bit of a ham, Tobie, and quite beautiful. I learned a lot from you, Diane, and Artie. This has been a rich series for me. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Keener View Post
    Your bird is a bit of a ham, Tobie, and quite beautiful. I learned a lot from you, Diane, and Artie. This has been a rich series for me. Thank you.
    Never heard that expression before and not sure what it means Jim but I'm glad you could get something of value from it. Nice to have a few highly knowledgable / experienced guys around to shorten the learning curve for the rest of us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobie Schalkwyk View Post
    Never heard that expression before and not sure what it means Jim . . .
    Tobie, I think you're referring to " . . . a bit of a ham . . . " Slang for someone who shows off for the camera. Acts to attract attention. I was commenting about the bird's pose, as if bowing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Keener View Post
    Tobie, I think you're referring to " . . . a bit of a ham . . . " Slang for someone who shows off for the camera. Acts to attract attention. I was commenting about the bird's pose, as if bowing.
    I guessed as much but was not sure, Jim - thanks for explaining! It shows that one can also pick up a few vocabulary tips on this forum!

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    Learned a lot about light/shadows here. Thanks for the conversations to all.

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