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    This Art Vivid image was created on our Palouse scouting trip with the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM lens, the Canon 1.4x EF Extender III (Teleconverter) (hand held 255mm), and the Canon EOS 5D Mark III Digital camera body ISO 400. Evaluative metering +1 1/3 stops +/- 2 stops yielded a base exposure of 1/1250 sec. at f/6.3.

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    Hi Artie,
    nice pose , too much dead space on RHS /Top for my liking.Green blob in URC ?
    Way too light, blue cast in darker areas and looks very gritty , HDR Effect ?

    Wish to go more in depth specially to a LAB analysis , but it is not wished to do so , so i will not do it..
    HDR not my cup of tea

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    Hi Artie - Cute, inquisitive look. I'd prefer a bit more space to the left and below but if you don't have it I would consider a crop from above as an alternative, perhaps to 16x9 format. If it stayed still for you which your blog seems to indicate it did, then I would have dropped the ss in favor of stopping down and getting a bit more dof, just personal preference. Looks like you had a great scouting trip.

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    In response to the first two comments, here is a straight version :).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Hi Artie,
    nice pose , too much dead space on RHS /Top for my liking.Green blob in URC ?
    Way too light, blue cast in darker areas and looks very gritty , HDR Effect ?

    Wish to go more in depth specially to a LAB analysis , but it is not wished to do so , so i will not do it..
    HDR not my cup of tea

    TFS Andreas
    Agree with much of what you said, thanks. But am confused by the "Way too light comment." What are others seeing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Morris View Post
    ...am confused by the "Way too light comment." What are others seeing?
    Probably referring to the white powdery look of the soil around it. Does not bother me at all. I think both versions are great. Are those coins in the dust?

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    Looks perhaps a little light to me, and perhaps a little cold - but I wasn't there and am basing the WB on the rocks on the RHS which I had a guess about.... I also agree with the suggestion of a 16x9 crop. Something like this.....?

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    Hi Artie, nice to see another new species posted and also to break the African theme, but I guess when I'm back I will start to edit so will be adding to the theme.

    I think perhaps the choice of medium/process here has thrown a few people, as we are used to seeing the majority of images processed in a more 'conventional' manner and therefore choosing the route you did has perhaps created a more 'washed out/thin' look & feel? Can't comment too much on colour as I'm away and using an uncalibrated laptop, but I do feel it has a more 'cooler' feel and that might be due to some blue coming through. Again, and this might be the look & feel you wished to create, but I would like more depth & tone within the overall environment, likewise be interested to know your reasons here Artie, but I would have moved the whole crop down so less above, more below as I have the impression the subject is falling out of frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardselfe View Post
    Looks perhaps a little light to me, and perhaps a little cold - but I wasn't there and am basing the WB on the rocks on the RHS which I had a guess about.... I also agree with the suggestion of a 16x9 crop. Something like this.....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Hi Artie,
    nice pose , too much dead space on RHS /Top for my liking.Green blob in URC ?
    Way too light, blue cast in darker areas and looks very gritty , HDR Effect ?

    Wish to go more in depth specially to a LAB analysis , but it is not wished to do so , so i will not do it..
    HDR not my cup of tea

    TFS Andreas
    I should have mentioned that I very much like the placement of the animal in the frame and that I like the little bit of green in the URC :).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobie Schalkwyk View Post
    Probably referring to the white powdery look of the soil around it. Does not bother me at all. I think both versions are great. Are those coins in the dust?
    No coins that I see. I could understand a too light comment on the straight-capture repost :).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Kaluski View Post
    Hi Artie, nice to see another new species posted and also to break the African theme, but I guess when I'm back I will start to edit so will be adding to the theme.

    I think perhaps the choice of medium/process here has thrown a few people, as we are used to seeing the majority of images processed in a more 'conventional' manner and therefore choosing the route you did has perhaps created a more 'washed out/thin' look & feel? Can't comment too much on colour as I'm away and using an uncalibrated laptop, but I do feel it has a more 'cooler' feel and that might be due to some blue coming through. Again, and this might be the look & feel you wished to create, but I would like more depth & tone within the overall environment, likewise be interested to know your reasons here Artie, but I would have moved the whole crop down so less above, more below as I have the impression the subject is falling out of frame.

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    Very much appreciate your time here Artie, it's a nice addition where time permits.
    My pleasure. I recently re-dedcated myself and am making an effort to visit a different forum each night for 20 minutes at least when I am home.

    For me HDRs always look richer and more detailed than straight up images. For each image I greatly reduced the BLUEs and the CYANs. As for the image design, I am happy with it. I like my subject in corners, and the subject does have some room in the frame, especially in the repost. And I like the pink hues of the rock wall above better than the rocks and pebbles in the white dirt below :)

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    Hi Artie , respect your views , we all like different things , that is good because if not we would end up seeing all the same images .And you must have your reason for treating the image the way you like it, but not all will agree .

    Have fun with your in-camera HDR .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Liedmann View Post
    Hi Artie , respect your views , we all like different things , that is good because if not we would end up seeing all the same images .And you must have your reason for treating the image the way you like it, but not all will agree .

    Have fun with your in-camera HDR .

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    Thank you kind Sir. Above you are 100% correct and I do agree with everything that you said. You have fun too.
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    No worries - just my take.
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    Entertaining subjects to observe and photograph. It also looks a touch light and cool to me (mostly on the animals back) but nothing unnatural. And yes, there are two coins in the lower right of the straight version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Hollander View Post
    Hi Artie - Cute, inquisitive look. I'd prefer a bit more space to the left and below but if you don't have it I would consider a crop from above as an alternative, perhaps to 16x9 format. If it stayed still for you which your blog seems to indicate it did, then I would have dropped the ss in favor of stopping down and getting a bit more dof, just personal preference. Looks like you had a great scouting trip.

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    Thanks Raache. I liked the pink rock above the marmot and I was hand holding so going much slower was not possible nor was using a tripod:).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Canuel View Post
    Entertaining subjects to observe and photograph. It also looks a touch light and cool to me (mostly on the animals back) but nothing unnatural. And yes, there are two coins in the lower right of the straight version.
    Thanks on all counts. The one on the left surely looks like a coin, possibly a US copper cent. I wouldn't bet my life on the one on the right.... I had to blow it up and search to see the two round things...
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    I am not an avid fan of in-camera much of anything, and with an image like this with mostly light tones I would have preferred playing with Lightroom or DPP to add punch, certainly the straight version shows the huge latitude of DR you have at your disposal. Having said that I did use in-cam HDR this weekend... but only as it takes three bracketed shots with only one shutter press ;)

    As for the shot, it looks sharp but I would prefer less top and a bit more below his feet. Having shot Marmots over the weekend I guess I now have to post something worthy of your crit ;)

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    Been visiting this one a few times, Artie. If mine, I would have cropped to remove the green corner...and composed for a tad more space below. DOF is fine for me - and I think a version between your Art Vivid and repost would be ideal for my tastes.
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    I am now sure this is not a lion Sir Arthur, especially after reading all the comments above.

    Since I am not too familiar with the subject I find it hard to pass judgement on the colours, they all seem rather natural to me and I admit to be the one usually guilty of seeing colour where there isn't (in my own images) and also trying to enhance things where I shouldn't...So my general impression here is of an image that looks quite efortless in terms of PP work, despite the above-mentioned HDR effect (which I personally avoid because I do not know how to use it properly), sharp where it matters and the crop is just fine (apart from the green bit on top which, in all honesty, I only noticed after reading the comments). Maybe taking a bit off the top would not be such a bad idea, after all?

    Cute little fellow and I love the pose, he is inquisitive yet not prepared to dash for cover despite being in the limelight. Love to see the environment and the subject pops so nicely against the BG.

    Thank you for this post Sir Arthur - I enjoyed viewing and I am always kin to see your posts, be it Wildlife or Avian- original and never boring, always beneficial in terms of PP work and information provided, and ever so often sparkling a great degree of interest for us all.

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    Thanks Gabriela, You are too, too kind, but thanks
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