For Leon & gen comments
This image is in line with the on Leon posted that had a second bird. Nothing wrong with having an oof bird in the bg. Picked this since it has some things I would have liked different.
What would you change? Not talking about processing so much but regarding bird position in frame, size, how far back, oof area etc. Just what would have been ideal to do !!!!
Hey Al,
I took the liberty in doctoring up your original composition by cloning away the bird in the background into never never land. and I did a close up crop of your subject since you cut part of his belly and feet off. :eek: Any way see if you like my version...:D:D:D
P.S. In addition, I gave it just a tad of sharpening on the head and eye area...:D
gonna think on this one Alfred. I would like the oof bird farther back(but you cannot control that) and less recognizable
Gus you're sharpening added a lot of perimeter halo along top edge
Just to see if I'm on the right track, I'd say include the belly, the feet, and the tail of the foreground bird. I like that the line of thebills forms a diagonal. I also like that the background bird is recognizable. I think the background is very nice.
To my untrained eyes - the angle just looks not quite right, I would have possibly got a bit lower if I could have.
No belly and feet-but I assume this is how you intened it to be. Backround is just the right amount of OOF on the bird in the background - still recognizable.
Gus ................. what happen to my other bird :D:eek::):):)
I was actually flat on the sand for this one. The oof bird was sitting on a slight mound. The idea of getting lower was on the right track. Would have liked for the oof bird to be closer to the front bird.
For getting a full size bird I do like a some separation like in this case. For tight images like them closer to each other. Looking at this one it does not fit right. Perhaps even a slight overlap would have been the answer !!! Excellent ideas !!!!:cool:
thanks for the tip, al! very interesting. i will have to try this next time i'm on the beach. what about some more dof? maybe the rear bird a little more in focus. would that work too?
Harold at those distances there is no possibility of getting the rear bird in focus. Will look for a link showing dof numbers.
My f stop will be determine by what I want done with the front bird leaving the rear as is !!! Most often I like shallow dof on the front bird to complement the rear. When you have lots of dof in the front the back will still be oof and look sort of strange. Drastic transition !!!
yep, i wasnt thinking about the rest of the bg. only makes since. you really thinking about the rest of the bg and not really worrying about how the second bird looks!! thanks al!! i would like to see the link showing the dof numbers though. i have never seen that.
Harold, http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.htmlOriginally Posted by harold davis
is a good DOF calculator
Ilike the back oofbird but the front one, great whites BTW, looks cut off, scrunched or something..How's that for technical
.... I like the scrunched !!! Maybe that is what I was looking for :D:D
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