Canon 40D, 100-400L. Today 7:34am
1/1000, f/5.6, ISO400, +.33EV,
The Get Away and Slipped
Canon 40D, 100-400L. Today 7:34am
1/1000, f/5.6, ISO400, +.33EV,
Hi Bill,
This image suffer from several aspects. The whites are completely blowing out and the BG is very busy and with very strong noise.
Whatever, I did a Auto Level adjustment, slight sharpening and small noise reduction. Someone tell me how I blew out the whites at 7:34am please?
Hi Bill,Originally Posted by Bill Foxworthy
No reason to get upset. You can blow out the whites at ANY time of day and even at night! This image as presented have absolutely NO details in the whites, especially the White Egret in the water/mod.
Can you tell us a little more about your workflow?? maybe we can help you tune this image a little more.
Thank you.
Unadjusted image!
Here is the Raw image, can't remember what I did. Please help me understand what I did wrong or show me!
Hi Bill The whites are not blown out. I downloaded the image and checked the numbers. No area at over 252 which is under max white.
If the values were lower there would be more detail in the white areas. It seems to work out best if you don't go above 238 or so. In looking with a monitor there will be a difference. Some monitors are better than others. Some will look fine at 245 while others have trouble even at 225.
For web presentation I normally like to keep them down on purpose. When I don't and they look fine in my monitor I'm always told they are not or overly bright. The person making he comment is doing so based on his set up. btw we do have the strip at the bottom of the page which gives a good indication of how your monitor is doing. No substitute for calibration.
On images that have less white surfaces you can get away with more. Having white as your primary subject is tough!!! I love the action between the two front birds. Would give it a little more room all around, they feel a bit tight in frame. Wish the one white bird was not intersecting the foreground bird. The other darker bird is not as bothersome. If time allowed taking a step left or right would have helped. The rest of the bg looks fine.
Just saw the unadjusted after posting reply. Will download and work in a bit. Busy at work !!!!
Here it is just adjusted levels
Hi Bill,
The original image obviously is under exposed and I can now see why you have a lot of noise. Let me see what I can do with it and I'll let you know.
Thanks!
Al,
Your re-pose looks much better. I can now see more details in the whites COMPARE the the Bill's original image.
Bill,
As you can see, there is a difference in the whites. Your original image didn't have ANY details in the whites and NOT because you overexposed the whites in the RAW file but because of the workflow you are using. With that said, Arite's DIGITAL BASICS PDF, will teach you everything you need to know to properly process your images.
Please keep in mind that we DON'T see RAW files, we can only critique what you present to us.
Have a good day!
Max I think I can see the difference.
Exposure and image optimization problems aside, the action that you have captured is fantastic. And yes, Digital Basics would help you out immensely. (Thanks for the suggestion Maxis). After you QM the extra birds and add some canvas on the right you would have a quite lovely image... BTW, ABP II would teach you how to get the best exposure in camera...
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Hi Bill forgot to mention ...... Do not use any auto functions in PS !!! Will get you in trouble every time !!!!
The fastest way to lower the learning curve and get up and running would be with the digital basics. Easy to follow and no waste.
Hi Bill,
As everyone mentioned...........your details are there in the whites!....The recommended clean ups should only be done if you are comfortable with them. Even you have to admit you see the difference in your original and the re-post........i'm glad Alfred knows how to do those checks he did.......as I have no clue!.......so I only judge on the orig. post like Maxis!
I have been to an early Mothers day dinner and get together and just finished reading all the posts. Thanks everyone for taking the time to download and re-do this image. I can see the difference and I just looked and found AM's Digital Basic file and will study that. I do not use Breezebrowser and wonder why it could make such a difference more than other programs!
I will surely try to figure out the white settings and black settings also. I'll be back!!!
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Wow, what a save by Al! When I first looked I said to myself you blew the whites but down the thread I see you didn't. So funny how important good PS technique is no matter what eh?
A very cool image too. If he birds can be deleted in the background (depending on what you intend to do with it) this will be really sweet, cool action!!
Hi Bill,
I'm glad you are considering our suggestion. This is why is so important to ask question no matter how little they are. At first I thought you got upset because of my critique. Remember, we can only see and comment on your first post.
I'm looking forward seeing some more of your work.
Thanks!
Reworked
Tried the rerwork as suggested. I think everyone has a little different finished perspective when finishing but this is what I came up with. Good or bad, here it is!
Hi Bill,
I did this very quickly including adding canvas on right............with more time and care...better results. After I cleaned up the BG...........did a little levels adjustment.........minor SH......with color correction at 0........local contrast adjustment to add pop. Let me know what you think
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