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I think you pulled off the HDR with out over cooking it. But it all just seems a little OOF. not sure if its ghosting or not.
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Hi Clyde - trying out HDR with a simple subject like this is probably a good idea. Will help hone skills for future, although I must admit that I never mastered HDR myself! I think that the image might be a bit 'out of focus/blurry' because you are combining 3 images and the heron might have moved slightly in between the shots. Just a tiny amount would have been enough to do that. There could even be small motion blur in EACH shot with a SS of 1/60s as that's not really fast enough to freeze all movement.
Also I think that many lenses will give slight distortion when closed down to f19....what was your thinking behind this? It seems a bit counter-intuitive to close down your aperture that far (giving a very large depth of field) only to blur the background in PP....? I would suggest trying this again with a SS of 1/500, ISO 400 and perhaps an aperture of f5.6-f8. Then I think you'll have more luck with your HDR.
However, I like the composition, the idea that you have and the poised-look of the heron. Nice eye for composition.
Good luck with it.
Ed
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Leigh Cojocar
I think you pulled off the HDR with out over cooking it. But it all just seems a little OOF. not sure if its ghosting or not.
Hi Leigh , I think the oof is due to several factors ,Mainly photographer mistakes . The cameras I had before this D90 ,never gave me fits concerning critical focus . I realize most blame the camera for mistakes made by the photog ,as well as the higher pixel count cameras ,being less forgiving .Not to mention I goofed on the settings this time ,BUT, I truly believe this copy of D90 (Even though I have sent it in for checking ) will not focus at a "Critical " level...........New cam coming soon .also one reason I haven't been posting much ,(I'm embarrassed of the softness) Thanks again for the comments !
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edwardselfe
Hi Clyde - trying out HDR with a simple subject like this is probably a good idea. Will help hone skills for future, although I must admit that I never mastered HDR myself! I think that the image might be a bit 'out of focus/blurry' because you are combining 3 images and the heron might have moved slightly in between the shots. Just a tiny amount would have been enough to do that. There could even be small motion blur in EACH shot with a SS of 1/60s as that's not really fast enough to freeze all movement.
Also I think that many lenses will give slight distortion when closed down to f19....what was your thinking behind this? It seems a bit counter-intuitive to close down your aperture that far (giving a very large depth of field) only to blur the background in PP....? I would suggest trying this again with a SS of 1/500, ISO 400 and perhaps an aperture of f5.6-f8. Then I think you'll have more luck with your HDR.
However, I like the composition, the idea that you have and the poised-look of the heron. Nice eye for composition.
Good luck with it.
Ed
Hi Ed, HDR programs seem to handle slight movements(Line-up) similar objects ,surprisingly well these days .However ,f/19... that was flat out a major mistake on my part !Not until I was working on this post did I look at the Exif . WHY? because I knew I was at f/8 and Av mode . Just before the GBh ,I was photographing White tail Deer, Not in HDR. Once the deer moved through ,I recognized the Heron fishing .Some how when changing from Bracketing 0 to BKT 3 I changed the F/Stop .(I suspect)... I started to not make this post because of that blunder ,then thought ,This IS a learning forum ,and MY mistakes may help someone . I also knew full well someone would point it out ,So I didn't mention it ...lol . It is also suggested in HDR to use the lowest ISO possible . Your suggestion of ISO 400 made me think ............The fact that it is 3 frames will kill most, if not all Noise . (On the D90 iso 800 is about max useable ) Next time out I will go to the opposite extreme, and use High ISO...........Hey ,It's a work in progress, Thanks for your input ,you got me- to thinking !
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How are you processing? I find that with the newer versions of LR (4 or 5) and PS (I think it was CS5 or later?) that have the new "process 2012" sliders in the Basic RAW conversion, that pulling the Shadows slider well to the right and the Highlights slider well to the left is often better than HDR! It's amazing the tonal range you can find in a RAW file.
I bet you'll love the new camera, and hope it will solve some of the issues that have frustrated you.
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Hello Diane ! I use CS6 ,I believe ACR up-dated a short time ago to 7.1 or 7.2 . I will definitely try your method, here in a short few minutes ! Thanks !
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The softness in this image could be from a couple of factors. The three slaps of the mirror at 1/60 causing vibration during exposure and the large crop. You are going to love the D800.
Jack
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I have several questions. Why did you think HDR was a good idea? I did notice you thought it would help noise? I think you were thinking about multi-frame noise reduction, and that is not HDR. As a matter of fact, one of the main problems of HDR is noise! HDR combines multiple images of different exposure to makes up for a sensor's inability to capture the full range of brightness levels found in high contrast light. Nothing more than that. It does absolutely nothing to increase image sharpness, and in fact is often detrimental to it (a number of reasons where discussed above, such as too slow shutter-speed, etc.) . My personal opinion is that lens IQ is far more important than the camera body in achieving a sharp image, and no amount of proper technique or image processing can overcome this. Did you mention the lens you were using? regards~Bill
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Hi William , It is for this type of discussion I posted this set of photos here . Your opinions are greatly Appreciated ! I have been getting up before sunrise shooting two to three hours ,waiting till a few hours before sunset to start back at it . realizing the bright Sun causes high contrast , for the last 6-7 month have continued to shoot past noon when it is just too hot for me.(My blind doesn't have A.C. yet) HDR just seemed like an answer to longer shooting times .As well as no one is trying it ,the detail seems improved ,and who knows I might just stumble on a new way to get a unique style of photography . ....It may be an absolute waste of my time trying ,But anytime behind the camera is a good time. Please correct me here ,but ,I thought digital noise did not repeat the same pixels . So that would make me think multiple frames would cover noise ? BTW the lens I used is the sigma 150-500 . I know this is not a great lens ,but should produce better then I'm getting. Why do I blame the camera for my soft photos ? Last year I purchases a T2i 24mp The photos seem a world better . I have several Nikon lens (18-105 kit ,50mm,105mm ,55-200mm,70-300mm,600mm manual focus and a 2x tc . and the Nikon just feels more natural to my hand So I wish to stay with Nikon. I tried the low-end canon to be sure I didn't want to swap over completely .
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An additional thought here. HDR can achieve lower noise compared to a single exposure in which the darks are lightened, because the dark areas will come from a higher exposure for the dark tones that will reveal more detail with less noise. But with a nature subject other than a static landscape, tiny movement between frames (or slight camera movement) will degrade the sharpness of the final image. As wonderful as software is these days, claims of being able to pin-register separate exposures can be overrated.
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Good Information Diane ,One thing I have done when shooting a "Rap" band ,was, ....After making the HDR ,and still in ps ,I bring the correctly exposed photo in as a layer with a black layer mask . I then paint the area I wish to be sharp with a white brush. I'm still working on this with wildlife ,but only see a benefit if a cloudy sky is in the photo/or something that benefits from the detail . One thing I have found is you can crop much more ,But again ,this is an Idea I'm working on as well as this is the first bird that allowed me to get this far . I post this looking for the thoughts of people I respect Highly "BPN". And thank you greatly for your responses .
