Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: Gull ID Please

  1. #1
    Lifetime Member Doug Brown's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Albuquerque, NM
    Posts
    11,879
    Threads
    917
    Thank You Posts

    Default Gull ID Please

    Attached Images Attached Images
     
    Hi experts. I'm pretty bad at gull ID, so I thought I'd post this bird here. I took this photo in March in Homer, Alaska. Any ideas?
    Upcoming Workshops: Bosque del Apache 2019, Ecuador 2020 (details coming soon)
    Website -
    Facebook - 500px

  2. #2
    Forum Participant
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    6,588
    Threads
    643
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Hi Doug- this is a tough one! I've studied Sibley and one hypothesis is that your bird is a hybrid Herring x Glaucous-winged based on the intermediate tones in the wing tips. The bill, buff feathers on upper wing and the tail band suggest a young bird, perhaps fledged the year before you saw it.

    Interested in what others say.

  3. #3
    Forum Participant
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Green Lane, PA
    Posts
    744
    Threads
    42
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Looking at the very petite bill, small head, and short looking body, and taking into account the location, my first guess would be first year Mew Gull. The dark bill tip and the heavy tail band look right as well.

    The one thing I'm struggling with is the primary pattern. The limited amount of black looks good for Mew, but the limited amount of white looks more correct for Ring-billed. Of course by range Ring-billed might not even occur there, so I could be floundering over nothing.

    Do you have any dorsal shots?

  4. #4
    Forum Participant
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Sacramento, CA
    Posts
    3,469
    Threads
    495
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    My vote is for a late first cycle Mew Gull. The bill is very dainty as stated. I like the leg and eye color also. I have seen many of these small gulls on the Northern CA coast in winter. And, this is an Alaska breeder. FYI, Mew Gulls are 3 year gulls (3 years to adult plumage).

  5. #5
    Forum Participant
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    6,588
    Threads
    643
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    I had a feeling I might be on shaky ground with the hybrid suggestion. The wingtips looked too light to me for a Mew but I did not the petit nature of the head and bill. On this last point, the bill, though petit, looks too big for a Mew. I have no experience with Mew but lots with Common Gulls in Europe.

    However, I think Paul and Dan have con provide convincing arguments.

  6. #6
    Forum Participant
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    6,588
    Threads
    643
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    I had a feeling I might be on shaky ground with the hybrid suggestion. The wingtips looked too light to me for a Mew but I did not the petit nature of the head and bill. On this last point, the bill, though petit, looks too big for a Mew. I have no experience with Mew but lots with Common Gulls in Europe.

    However, I think Paul and Dan have con provide convincing arguments.

  7. #7
    Lifetime Member Doug Brown's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Albuquerque, NM
    Posts
    11,879
    Threads
    917
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Mew Gull it is. Thanks guys!
    Upcoming Workshops: Bosque del Apache 2019, Ecuador 2020 (details coming soon)
    Website -
    Facebook - 500px

  8. #8
    BPN Viewer
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    NE England
    Posts
    129
    Threads
    1
    Thank You Posts

    Default

    Hi Doug

    I saw this post while on holiday in Florida.

    Although I didn't dispute the ID (Mew Gull) I thought the aging was off, but didn't have any reference material with me. I've now looked through my gull guides & these support my view that this gull is a 2nd winter individual. Relevant features include:


    • Pale eye;
    • Mirror on outer primary;
    • Relatively 'clean' underwing/parts, as 1st year Mew Gulls are usually the most heavily marked at that age in comparison with both Common/Ring-billed Gulls;
    • 1st year Mew Gull have heavily barred undertail coverts.


    The tail band is highly variable in 2nd winter Mew Gulls, from dark spotting on just a few tails feathers to a full tail band.

    Cheers: Wayne

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Web Analytics