The Power andf Joy of 50MP - 5DsR

Printable View

07-21-2015, 10:53 AM
Eric Dienesch

The Power and Joy of 50MP - 5DsR

2 weeks ago, the postman came and bring the new 5DsR to me.. what should i say.. i have never seen so sharp an nice details before with an dslr.

Here is an example.. i have done nothing but developing it in DPP from raw to tiff (no extra sharpening only the camera settings) and then make a crop and small jpg pictures for the web with Lightroom, no extra sharpening !!

http://abload.de/img/5dsr00000017-1-2nhssx.jpg

Camera
Canon EOS 5DS R

Focal Length
600mm

Aperture
f/6.3

Exposure
1/640s

ISO
800

crop
http://abload.de/img/5dsr00000017-12ssar.jpg

Camera
Canon EOS 5DS R

Focal Length
600mm

Aperture
f/6.3

Exposure
1/640s

ISO
800

5DsR with EF 600/4L IS II F:6.3, ISO 800, 1/640sec from a hide (in my private garden!!) on Gitzo tripod with sachtler 8 fluid head

The 1DX is the action cam.. no question about it.
but i am really happy with the details.. even my 100-400 and the 300/2.8L IS are working very good with this body.
07-21-2015, 01:01 PM
Loi Nguyen

Wow! This is impressive. TFS. Loi
07-21-2015, 01:58 PM
MiroslavMaric

Great, like the details and the level of noise at ISO800. TFS.

Cheers,
Miro
07-21-2015, 06:14 PM
Ian Wilson

Hi Eric, Thanks for showing impressive results. I traded in my 5DIII on a 5Ds two weeks ago and have also been amazed at the results from the new camera including hand-held and avian flight. The 5Ds has 1.5x more spatial resolution than the 5DIII with slightly better IQ than the 5DIII. It means I can shoot with my 600 mm f/4 II with a wider aperture and without the need to use a 1.4x extender. Regards, Ian.
07-22-2015, 10:31 AM
arash_hazeghi

looks great for sure, excellent sharp details. I'll probably get one of these too for my backup :)
07-23-2015, 08:34 AM
David Stephens

In focal length limited shooting, also consider the 7D MkII, with the same resolution, but, alas, no R-version.
07-23-2015, 07:51 PM
Ian Wilson

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Stephens

In focal length limited shooting, also consider the 7D MkII, with the same resolution, but, alas, no R-version.

The 7DII is an OK option in good light but the image quality of the 5Ds is significantly better especially above ISO 800. See for example the recent DxO measurements for Color Depth, Dynamic Range and the Low-light ISO metric. The latter is the ISO at which the SNR measures 1000:1 (30 dB). For the 7DII they measure ISO 1082 while the 5Ds measures ISO 2381 - that's a big difference. Regards, Ian.
07-24-2015, 12:37 PM
arash_hazeghi

Ian's right, the 7D2 files are soft and noisy compared to the 5D files. The pixel size might be close but the sensor, color filter and the low pass filter are different. The 5D series also has much better AF calibration.
07-24-2015, 01:24 PM
David Stephens

Quote:

Originally Posted by arash_hazeghi

Ian's right, the 7D2 files are soft and noisy compared to the 5D files. The pixel size might be close but the sensor, color filter and the low pass filter are different. The 5D series also has much better AF calibration.

I agree with everything except the comment about AF calibration. I own the 5D MkIII and the 7D MkII and find the AF acquisition and tracking and resulting "keeper ratio" to be the same. My 7D2 was an early model (in the first large shipment to stores), but I did not experience the problems that some others did with those early production models. There may be production variability, or problems with the some of the first batches. Other owners that I shoot with are not having problems either.
07-24-2015, 04:40 PM
arash_hazeghi

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Stephens

I agree with everything except the comment about AF calibration. I own the 5D MkIII and the 7D MkII and find the AF acquisition and tracking and resulting "keeper ratio" to be the same. My 7D2 was an early model (in the first large shipment to stores), but I did not experience the problems that some others did with those early production models. There may be production variability, or problems with the some of the first batches. Other owners that I shoot with are not having problems either.

I have tried several 7D2 bodies, in my hands they performed poorly. I have come across some folks who mention their camera is perfect and they can get sharp files, but when I view their RAW files tat 100% hey are not sharp to my standard. In fact I'd call them soft. I believe the problem is that folks have different definition of what is sharp/acceptable. Now, it's entirely possibly that there are exceptionally good copies around and you got one of them which is great.

Here is my take on 7D2 AF which remains unchanged after trying a couple of more recent bodies as well.

http://arihazeghiphotography.com/blo...-100-400-l-ii/

There are many mixed reviews of the 7D2 AF system, on this and other sites, whereas the 5D3 never had such issues reported by the folks skilled in the art.

The phase-detect AF system is very sensitive to manufacturing tolerance and calibration of the sub mirror assembly, and that's where the cheaper 7D falls shorts of the pro models despite having an overall capable AF hardware.

best
07-26-2015, 01:59 PM
David Stephens

The 5D is a "pro model". I didn't realize that.
07-28-2015, 08:28 AM
Eric Dienesch

Thank You all.. i am still pleased.. the image quality specially in high iso is not like the 1DX, for sure.
but when you are in the same (comparable) distance the details are outstanding. it seems to have over all a little bit more contrast, sometimes harder contrast in the images.. above iso 1000 the grain seems harder, not so soft like an 1dx grain l iso 3200.
but dpp 4.3. is really good with this 5sdsr, never seen this canon programm so good and usefull, even only for the raw development direct out of the cam with no changes.. dpp does here the best job ever ( i said the only FOR me, i never liked dpp very much)

just one more example, only open and make small with LR CC
http://abload.de/img/5dsr2481-1-3cbywk.jpg

Camera
Canon EOS 5DS R

Focal Length
420mm

Aperture
f/9

Exposure
1/1250s

ISO
640

100% crop
http://abload.de/img/5dsr2481-1-4avo93.jpg

Camera
Canon EOS 5DS R

Focal Length
420mm

Aperture
f/9

Exposure
1/1250s

ISO
640

Camera
Canon EOS 5DS R

Focal Length
420mm

Aperture
f/9

Exposure
1/1250s

ISO
640

5DsR with 100-400 II and 1.4 TK III at f:9 iso 640 with 1/1250s from tripod and hide

and
@arash:
The Things that you are telling about the 7DMK2 (also on your side with the examples) are exactly my experiences with this 7D2. thats the reason, why i sold it..
i had also an early modell , bought it in November 2014, Body-number began with 013xxxx
07-28-2015, 01:44 PM
arash_hazeghi

Hi Eric,
Agree. Def. use DPP 4.2 for best results with your 5DSR, with the right NR parameters in DPP you should get very clean, sharp files even at higher ISO's.