House Sparrow

[Richard Unsworth]

Captured in the Supermarket Car Park; took me several days - they are always hiding lol

Anyway hope you like him; I do, but I dont like the Supermarket/Town

Processed with DPP, Nik4, PS5

Canon 7D Manual Exposure, f5.6 ISO 400, sun from rear, HH, eV +1.66 ss 1/800
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[Arthur Morris]

Good head angle and EXP but way over-sharpened with very jangly background BOKEH...

[Richard Unsworth]

Hi Arthur

hmm...only used Smart at 100, 0.5 as per my normal WF probably didnt need any. Agree BG is jangly; weird small leaved shrubs
should stick with tropics lol

[Richard Unsworth]

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this time much more gently processed (20 Detail extraction in Nik, And tone adjust to bird only)
USM on tiff at 100, 0.2 X 2 passes. Lighten blur to BG
I know not the same image - hope mods can allow; its the processing I am concerned about

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[Arthur Morris]

The BKGR is much better but the bird is overdone. Please post the full frame unprocessed original capture as 1024 wide 200kb JPEG.

[Richard Unsworth]

OK Arthur; too much detail x I bet but was only 25?

heres the file lets see how it should look :S3:
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[Arthur Morris]

Richard, Thanks. Please explain what you mean by "too much detail.... only 25."

[Richard Unsworth]

Just that slider at 25 for detail extraction on the bird ie the default in Nik CE4 was probably not needed or too much?
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[Arthur Morris]

Thanks Richard, Just to confirm; the image in Pane 6 has had nothing done to it; it was just converted. No Detail Extractor, no nothing, correct?

[Richard Unsworth]

Correct Arthur

CR2 in DPP

CONVERT AND SAVE AS TIFF

RESIZED 1024 IN PS5

SAVE FOR WEB @ 200K:S3:
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[Arthur Morris]

OK. Got it now :S3:.

#1: Why create the image with the bird in the center of the frame?
#2: It is very rare that Detail Extractor is applied to the whole image including the BKGR.
#3: Assuming that Detail Extractor was applied only to the bird and only at 25% that can often be way too much as it was to some degree on the image in Pane #4.

I will work on the image when I get home. I am in the car now. Not driving, just in the car :S3:.

[Richard Unsworth]

1. Didnt think fast enough to change focus point tut tut :S3:

2. Detail extract was not applied to BG in repost which proves your point

3. Copy that; for some reason I start to overprocess; just over enthusiastic about Nik I guess

lets see what you can come up with; respect and thank you for your assistance; do you have a CHAUFFEUR then?:t3(cant spell)
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[Arthur Morris]

Getting the bird out of the center needs to be at the center of our being, part of the process of making images. What you said in your #2 I already said and knew. As for over-doing things, I do the same thing.... Jim who works for me is driving. See you later and YAW.

[Arthur Morris]

Sometimes simple is better. Cropped. Added canvas front and stretched. Selectively sharpened only the dark parts of the bird.

[Arthur Morris]

It has suffered a bit from the large crop....

[Richard Unsworth]

It has suffered a bit from the large crop....

sure but additional food for thought and 2 smacks for a - poor composition and b - overprocessing haha

it was a rush job governor:tinysmile_shy_t:

thanks for input



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[Arthur Morris]

Yes, learning is good. I wrote this (http://www.birdsasart-blog.com/2012/04/18/know-this-cold-or-give-up-bird-photography/comment-page-1/#comment-204540) just for you (and others here) :S3:.

[Richard Unsworth]

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[Arthur Morris]

You are welcome :wave:

[Norm Dulak]

Hi Richard.

Thanks for posting this image. I agree with some of the comments made above and think there may be some room for improvement. Working with your original file, I've made the following changes in PS CS5: I

positioned the bird more to the left in the frame, with a little more headroom and space to look into,
made a modest levels adjustment to provide what I feel is a better saturation level for the bird,
applied very modest degree of sharpening, and
cloned out a brilliant red spot below and to the right of the bird that distracted my eye.

The result is shown in this repost. But thanks for sharing this image.

Norm

[Richard Unsworth]

Nice work, looks good , thx Norm for having a go, appreciated:S3:
lots of options,preferences and techniques
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