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Jay Gould
11-18-2010, 11:57 PM
Hello All,

During a recent 7-day landscape workshop on Norfolk Island, Australia with Trekabout (http://www.trekaboutphotography.com/) I started to experiment with using the Singh Ray Vari ND at minimum setting to hold down the glare on the water while also using the SR Grad ND to hold down the sky as the sun did what it usually does ;).

Camera: 5D2
Capture date/time: 101111
Light condition: dawn
Lens: 16-35 f/2.8
Focal length:35mm
Distance: 655m
Extender: none
Tube: none
Flash/Comp:
ISO: 100
Exp Prog: Av
Speed: 0.6
Aperture: f/18
Exp Comp: none
Metering: Evaluative
WB: Auto
AF Drive: One-shot AF
Tripod: yes
Filter: Singh Ray Vari ND, and 3-stop Grad ND
Crop: 20-25% off of the top
Images Changes: none

Processed in LR 3 and then CS5, Topaz Denoise, and Pixel Genius Sharpening.

All C&Cs gratefully appreciated!

Tim Munsey
11-19-2010, 03:34 AM
Fantastic colours! I would personally like a little more on the bottom.

Tim

Marc Mol
11-19-2010, 04:35 AM
Love the coloured layers in the clouds Jay, agree on just a bit more rock FG.
TFs

Jay Gould
11-19-2010, 04:55 AM
Through the magic of LR and PS your wish is my command! :D

I like it too with more rock; it rocks!!

Roman Kurywczak
11-19-2010, 09:49 AM
Hey Jay,
Glad to see you here!:cheers: The first suggestions would have been mine.....so the repost works but still needs a few small &easy tweaks to take it over the top....at the bottom frame edge....you have a few spots of color....2 larger ones and 2 small one.....fill that in.....and you've got a winner for sure! BTW.....I have debated the LH side rocks for a bit.....I am OK with them but do wonder if you took some with more of it in? All in all a very nice job and glad to see you back!!!:cheers::cheers::cheers:

Dave Mills
11-19-2010, 10:21 AM
Hey Jay, welcome back!! nice hearing from you...especially with a nicely presented image. Had the same observation about the bottom when I first saw the image then scrolled down and saw it too my liking. Agree about Roman's suggestion for a fill in on the bottom but nicely done overall...

Slider27
11-19-2010, 03:58 PM
Nice work Jay. I have some with the same colour and thought I had overcooked them until I saw yours. The colour was very real and well worth the early start. :o

Jay Gould
11-19-2010, 08:09 PM
Hi,

Thanks for the comments.

Roman, I initially left those bits of light to because they had color and gave definition to the rocks. If I remove the the light spots it all becomes black at the bottom. When you say more rocks, I can do one of two things: 1) simply extend the black canvass, or 2) using, for example, Viveza, open up/lighten the rocks.

I can simply uncrop the bottom of this image and add more "rocks" - a bit more anyway!

I can also add more of the hill on the LHS.

Unfortunately, as with all golden moments, the ones with significantly more rocks have lesser skies.

I think I am going to attempt a blend using this great sky with one that has much better foreground. Will take a day or so to do. Perhaps I should have had this in ETL.

Later!

Roman Kurywczak
11-19-2010, 08:19 PM
Hey Jay,
As always....subjective but I want the base to be black!.....a huge fan of silhouettes....so it may be a personal preference thing. I think if you fill those things in the contour of the FG becomes a nice base for the colors! No need to go into ETL(sorry Jules!)......works great here....although if you like I can copy it there too so they can benefit from the advice and give their thoughts as well! I had a gut feeling the area to the left wouldn't add.....but had to ask just so others can learn from the advice. Just remember....all we do here is offer suggestions.....what you do with them is up to you!!! Our goal here in landscapes is to offer you possibilites and options to explore when in the field........to think! All these things only make us all better photogs IMO and kep us fresh....me included!!! :cheers: my friend!

Jay Gould
11-19-2010, 08:25 PM
ETL: up to you Mr. Moderator!! :D I have no trouble double posting.

I will post a quick version filling in the spots between the rocks, adding more black/rocks that I cropped out initially, and adding more to the left that I had eliminated.

We all learn all of the time! :cheers:

PS: Tell James we need a different icon with port glasses!

Roman Kurywczak
11-19-2010, 08:28 PM
I don't know about the port glasses....you have no idea what it took to get the clanking beer glasses.....and these too:2eyes2:! I think I will copy it!

Jay Gould
11-19-2010, 08:37 PM
Hi, You request - You get!

Jay Gould
11-19-2010, 08:37 PM
I like it better; you?

This is now uncropped from LHS and bottom; only crop is the top of the sky where the color wasn't!

BTW, that was the sky!!

Roman Kurywczak
11-19-2010, 08:39 PM
WooooHoooo! Absolutely!!! Sometimes I know what I'm talking about!!!:cool:

Jay Gould
11-19-2010, 08:48 PM
WooooHoooo! Absolutely!!! Sometimes I know what I'm talking about!!!:cool:

In my home, my caravan, I only have 4 frames for photos. The are sandwiched plexiglas using standoffs.

This final image is going into one of those frames - thanks for the help.

I love it too!

Mark Rayner
11-19-2010, 09:32 PM
The final uncropped is my pick Jay. Shows off the Norfolk Pines nicely off to the left and showcases that glorious sky to it's full extent. Love it. You'll notice I have now sorted my log-in to the correct convention for this forum. Now that I have a proper log-in here it might be time to post up a few birds :D

Jay Gould
11-19-2010, 10:05 PM
Hi Mark,

Allow me to introduce Mark Rayner, one of two Treakabout instructors, and the instructor that was up early with me the morning I shot this image.

Mark, time to become a Forum Member!! The best $20/value on the internet. Then it is easy to post your images and you don't have to post by reference to another location.

I am looking forward to critiquing your images too!

For the record the final images is cropped to the extent that I removed the colorless sky from the top. I am still going to try a blend of one of my lighter foregrounds with this sky and post the result for comparison.

Cheers and welcome to BPN!!

Mark Rayner
11-19-2010, 10:18 PM
Cheers and welcome to BPN!!


Thanks for the welcome Jay. Looking forward to it.

Robert Amoruso
11-22-2010, 11:04 PM
The final post is what you want Jay - black at the bottom.